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Anonymous ## Mod ## 11/10/26(Wed)10:01 No. 3905 [Reply] Stickied
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For growing and shit or whatever I present to you:

THE BIG STICKIED THREAD OF PHILOSOPHY RESOURCES



Put in whatever resources that fit in here, whether it's from wikipedia, youtube, some university, or where ever. Just remember to keep it within the board's guidelines and rules.
Use it or lose it, faggots.


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Anonymous 22/07/24(Sun)18:34 No. 15021

https://www.youtube.com/c/KaneB
https://www.youtube.com/c/carneadesofcyrene
You can find there lectures on many philosophical subjects




Anonymous ## Mod ## 12/02/02(Thu)05:26 No. 5920 [Reply] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts] Stickied
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This thread is for discussion of the validity of religion(s) and arguments for and against the existence of god/gods.

Any other new posts about this subject will be deleted, or locked and referred to this one.

New threads about religious concepts that play inside their own ruleset are allowed, and we kindly ask that you refrain from turning those well meaning threads into arguments about religion as a whole.


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Anonymous 26/05/29(Fri)05:52 No. 17231

>>17057
American billionaires are involved in grooming and shady deals.
And they're idolized.




Anonymous 24/11/06(Wed)15:27 No. 15749 [Reply]
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Anti-natalism is fucking retarded but also has a point. Forget the troubles of this world you're gonna put a child in. Even in a perfect utopia, how can you birth a child without any way of discussing with them about their decision to be born or not and carry the burden of their senses like constant anxiety of death or hunger? Well actually, you can and people do every second according to some internet stats, but how can you justify it other than that creampies feel good?


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Anonymous 26/06/24(Wed)21:28 No. 17286

>>17284
weak logic, but at least you're thinking

Also your understanding of sex, sexual experience and sexual energy tells me that like 98% of people you have barely/never actually even experienced sex as what it can / is supposed to be.

I can give a child or a woman sexual experience barely even touching them at all, maybe their arm or their shoulder that is multiple times the intensity of you straight up pounding them... I can't explain this, but simply know this as true and you'll see how a lot of what you wrote (among other reasons I won't mention, but it's mostly flawed through and through) falls apart.

Still, you're one of the very few thinking about any of it at all before making your convictions, decisions and attitudes about it, so you deserve praise.


AS FOR REALISM. CHILD 5 YEARS OLD IS OLD ENOUGH TO TAKE THEIR LIFE IF THEY SO DECIDE. If that's the case they can make a decision about any of the trivialities.

Most people will never be mature enough to be allowed to make choices freely in the open world.

The difference between a monkey and a common man is much much smaller than between a common man and what a man can be and some are... Almost incomprehensibly so.
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Anonymous 26/06/25(Thu)07:33 No. 17288

>>17286
I could pick your reply apart easily but instead I'll clarify a few things.

First, I am not advocating the kind of touching I'm talking about. I'm saying that it does no harm. the basis of anti-pedoism is that is does harm to the child. I mean that's what they say their reasons are. Many of them in my view use that as a shield to give themselves the moral high ground in the eyes of the masses.

In reality the reason they are so rabidly against it is twofold: First, it gives them a sense of winning. They get to be a "hero" just for one day. They have found a whole bunch of people that they are "better than" and that saves their sense of low self worth.

The second reason is that they find it "disgusting". The thought of it grosses them out. Kind of like when I see two obese people smoothing at the mall or something. Or someone on 4chan posts some nasty bitch's unshaven crotch in a photo from the 70's. The pubic hair spreads out like bird wings. Some women have hair allover the god damn place. Looks like a bearded monsters mouth opening up. Disgusting. But I'm not trying to put them in a woodchipper for finding each other attractive.

Notice how actually caring about the children is not one of their motivating factors? And what is it they find so disgusting? The child's body? The sexual act itself? If that were the case, then they wouldn't want to murder pedos that don't do the deed nor want to. Instead they want to murder anyone who finds anyone under 18 to be attractive. Bizarre criminal insanity.

But mostly it's that they think sexual activity is bad. They think it's wrong unless you are trying to have a baby, then it magically transforms into something beautiful. I assume they feel guilty when they get aroused and after orgasm.

They also consider sex an act of domination. Akin to rape. There are both males and females who think this way. So admitting a child is beautiful they interpret as you wanting to harm the child and dominate them because that's the only kind of sex they have known in their own lives which they are full of self loathing for partaking in and also blame their lover/spouse for doing it "to them".

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Anonymous 26/06/25(Thu)09:58 No. 17289
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>>17288
You were doing good up to here

>They also consider sex an act of domination. Akin to rape. There are both males and females who think this way. So admitting a child is beautiful they interpret as you wanting to harm the child and dominate them because that's the only kind of sex they have known in their own lives which they are full of self loathing for partaking in and also blame their lover/spouse for doing it "to them".

>In short, they're insane and belong deep in mental health therapy.

I suppose you don't have much experience with women or maybe just one of those who remain naive their entire life. But yes there are power play and not necessarily malicious or of manipulation (from women it's usually malicious/manipulatory, but they usually only do it as a defense mechanism having been already hurt). Sex has many layers with different meaning, kinda like 7 chakras and it's simply a fact that some of them very much have things to do with domination. Or being bigger or being the owner and the owned. That would be the solar plexus mostly but I'd say each of the roughly 7 aspects/layers of sexuality carries an asymetry or polarity of it's own except the 7th.

And I could go in deeper, but I doubt our belief systems are even close enough to bridge our gap with any efficiency whatsoever even if it is indeed possible.

But anyway, a lot of women learn this domination to be a negative thing and a lot of men do this domination as a power trip and when you mix in something relatively innocent and pure and more vulnerable than usual - like a child, people get extra freaked out.

The truth is that you'll never keep a woman (you can attract a woman, because she's too confused in the beginning sometimes to see things) but you'll never keep a woman unless you treat her in many ways like a child. And you are her father in a sense. Except if she stays for cerebral reasons. So by default it works like that, but people often want to not acknowledge this and deny this fact and reality (or some, like I suspect yourself, being autistic, which I relate to just haven't become privy to this yet and interacted more on intellectual basis i.e. platonic basically - fair and equal, treating the whole sex thing mostly as a bodily endeavor).

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Lolicon Ethics Anonymous 25/03/06(Thu)04:28 No. 16161 [Reply]
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I can't tell whether (anti-lolicon rhetoric) is a serious issue or the new moral outrage" isn't advocacy, promotion of, or posting of pedophilia and pedophilic content. It's asking a question about whether or not this seemingly first world issue facing chronically online anime communities is serious enough to warrant such extensive hate campaigns by communities like the Sharty and Kiwi Farms while we sleep on seemingly more serious issues like Du Pont diamond mining, child labor in Africa, Nestle corporation, Donald Trump taking over America, and of course western PROVEN nonces.

I grew up with gore cartoons like Happy Tree Friends and a bunch of shocking shit on sites like YTMND. Bug-eyed cartoon characters may actually have some psychological factors connected to reality, but I'm looking for evidence. The only scientific literature I've seen is from team 'p here. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1s2PL7TcWJfxDGzKn1M7jnMLViOI6Dvj_ I'm asking for team anti-'p's side so I can become a more informed individual.

I don't support lolicon, but anti-lolicon communities seem to have philosophy where, "If you're not eagerly fer us, you're eagerly against us", and it lacks nuance. We should care about the basics of Maslow's hierarchy of needs more than supposed e-politics. If there's significant empirical evidence (or even a good enough common man argument) against lolicon, I want to KNOW why it's wrong, rather than be TOLD to agree.

If minors are being groomed by lolicons, it's probably because minors are using social media before the age of 18 (which they obviously should not be doing, yet society accepted for some reason). Why are we reverting to "think of the children!!1" days? Babysitting minors online should never be a part of your ethos. Keep your kids on Neopets and off of social media.

What do YOU think about lolicon and its ethics?


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Anonymous 26/05/29(Fri)09:02 No. 17234

>>17233
Where the fuck do you say strawman in there? What point do you think they were arguing? (Aside from the proclaiming everyone here is dumb which they just posited, didn't argue for)


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Anonymous 26/06/24(Wed)16:44 No. 17282

>>17234
Their strawman is that “if I see a kid online I’m raping them” as justification to ban kids from social media.
May as well ban adults too because those things happen to them
As well.

Kids should’nt have their right to worldly media be taken away because of offending adults

That’s just punishing the victims


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Anonymous 26/06/24(Wed)21:04 No. 17285

>>17282
Thanks for proving my point that yall are retarded
Why do you think I appended
>(digitally simulaculate the raping of a child)
Nigger




Anonymous 25/11/29(Sat)03:07 No. 17008 [Reply]
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fascism/authoritarianism is foundationally an ethos, so to speak, of the slavish man (in a broad nongender sense, though, the insecurity involved is perhaps unique to literal men) and their mistrust, excessive posturing as strong, and single-minded pursuit of (and slavish devotion to) dominance for its own sake, is all a testament to the fact they are always slaves who (always as a matter of circumstance and complacency) have managed to worm their way into positions of authority-- and always with the same catastrophic outcome for themselves-- and, ultimately, they will always be slaves, blinded by hubris and drowning in pomp and pageantry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master%E2%80%93slave_morality


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Anonymous 25/12/06(Sat)03:05 No. 17018
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Fascism equals violence


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Anonymous 25/12/06(Sat)14:13 No. 17020

>>17018
true in the sense that you can only suppress speech through the threat of violence, because if there's no threat, why would I care about your opinion about what I can or cannot say...


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Anonymous 26/06/24(Wed)16:25 No. 17280

>>17008
>(in a broad nongender sense, though, the insecurity involved is perhaps unique to literal men)

Females are also privy to this. It’s just that men are mainly the ones burdened with the task of having to “prove themselves”




Anonymous 22/02/20(Sun)17:56 No. 14904 [Reply]
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I'm starting to think that adults are the ones with a penchant for make-believe rather than children.

Seriously. Ask the average adult about natural science and see how much they know.
Some will even deny it as "NWO bullshit."

But, they somewhat seem to know about every and any urban myth under the sun.

If kids are laughed at for believing in Santa and the tooth fairy, how are grown ass men applauded for believing that the earth is flat?

Adults seem to care more about metaphors and abstractions rather than the technical/physical world in front of them.

How many counselling books about marriage, work, and family must be written and collect dust on boomers' personal shelves?


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Anonymous 22/02/20(Sun)18:50 No. 14905

are you experienced? have you ever been experienced? well I am.


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Anonymous 24/05/28(Tue)19:13 No. 15428

bump


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Anonymous 26/06/24(Wed)16:21 No. 17279

Bump




Anonymous 25/11/14(Fri)15:10 No. 16971 [Reply]
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hm, conservatives (if in name only) went from premarital sex and sexually active teens is bad, to condoning pedophilia and sex trafficking.

obviously they can't (but almost certainly will) argue cultural relativity, anthropology, or history (our lifespans were much more brief, thus procreating as early as possible so as to raise the child before the parents died) because it would be woke and such.

to be sure, procreation or genuine affection is not really the objective, so much as wanton gratification for a self-entitled few and selectively for those who adequately fill the coffers, well, should it be politically expedient to afford the unkempt masses an indulgence or two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ToBlvZZxJ4


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Anonymous 26/04/12(Sun)23:01 No. 17169

They’re only pro pedophilia in terms of reducing young adults into perfect little housewives, not in terms of sexual autonomy for young people.
They still wanna ban teens from having relationships with their own peers


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Anonymous 26/04/12(Sun)23:03 No. 17170

>>16973
Chivalry is not about protecting women and children. It was really about protecting the royal family”
Those gallant knights you read about still preyed on peasant women and children


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Anonymous 26/06/24(Wed)16:19 No. 17278

>>16971
> (our lifespans were much more brief, thus procreating as early as possible so as to raise the child before the parents died)

You’re confusing infant mortality for decreased life expectancy

Also, it’s becoming encouraged for people to procreate after their twenties/early thirties, which is especially bad on the woman because of menopause and higher chance of complication and that the resulting offspring will have higher likelihood of neurocognitive disoders due to decreased genetic quality of eggs




A mind that affects matter Anonymous 22/09/17(Sat)14:23 No. 15149 [Reply] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350862574_Psychophysical_interactions_with_a_double-slit_interference_pattern_Exploratory_evidence_of_a_causal_influence
>For the experimental data, the outcome supported a pattern of results predicted by a causal psychophysical effect

https://physicsessays.org/browse-journal-2/product/1424-4-dean-radin-leena-michel-and-arnaud-delorme-psychophysical-modulation-of-fringe-visibility-in-a-distant-double-slit-optical-system.html
>...these results were found to support von Neumann’s conclusion that the mind of the observer is an inextricable part of the measurement process.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287506033_Reassessment_of_an_independent_verification_of_psychophysical_interactions_with_a_double-slit_interference_pattern
>Baer's independent analysis confirmed that the optical apparatus used in this experiment was indeed sensitive enough to provide evidence for a psychophysical effect.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258707222_Consciousness_and_the_double-slit_interference_pattern_Six_experiments
>The results appear to be consistent with a consciousness-related interpretation of the quantum measurement problem.

Apparently there is a strong aversion within the scientific community regarding how consciousness tends to go beyond regular cause and effect when you measure its influence on its surroundings. The materialistic interpretation of reality fails to explain why these unusual occurences exist and why you can never see a physical link between these events.

Are you convinced that there is only matter in this universe and nothing else?
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Anonymous 26/04/11(Sat)21:59 No. 17167

>>17160
I experience sensations that I like or dislike and that come with a certain idea about their nature.


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Anonymous 26/06/05(Fri)11:37 No. 17235

>>17045
It’s circular logic. Darwinism is true even when it isn’t.


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Anonymous 26/06/12(Fri)16:25 No. 17252

>>17235
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC58511/
>This study provides a quantitative assessment of the number of sequences compatible with a given fold and implicates previously unidentified residues needed to form a functional active site.
>Misplacement of catalytic residues by even a few tenths of an angstrom can mean the difference between full activity and none at all.
>Our estimate of the low frequency of protein catalysts in sequence space indicates that it will not be possible to isolate enzymes from unbiased random libraries in a single step.
>The required library sizes far exceed what is currently accessible by experiment, even with in vitro methods

The best part, like this study says, is that a few tenths of an angstrom can make a protein useless.




Anonymous 25/11/21(Fri)14:24 No. 16979 [Reply]
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one supposes, obviously, that the simple fact of the matter is that free-will is much too terrifying for much of the herd, and they are much more inclined (perhaps reticent) to wear the labels and play the roles doled out by those they merely perceive as having some sort of authority, when in actuality, the exalted among us, too, are beholden to self-imposed... farce.

To be sure, if the role is brimming with excess licentiousness, then all the better.

For where is conducting one's self civilly and with the common-interest at heart of interest?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCZcBmaZbl0


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Anonymous 25/11/21(Fri)16:33 No. 16980

#41- Scholars of the highest class, when they hear about the Tao, earnestly carry it into practice. Scholars of the middle class, when they have heard about it, seem now to keep it and now to lose it. Scholars of the lowest class, when they have heard about it, laugh greatly at it. If it were not thus laughed at, it would not be fit to be the Tao (...)

#1- (...) Always without desire we must be found, if it's deep mystery we would sound; But if desire always within us be, It's outer fringe is all that we shall see (...)


I'd offer to translate, but I really don't know how it can be said any more clearly..


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Anonymous 25/11/21(Fri)20:08 No. 16984
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perhaps it's that free-will (or personal liberty) is readily (and very much intentionally) conflated with anarchy/disorder/disobedience

obviously the result of a tradition that proposes that the "natural order" descends from a divinity (with a top-down definition) to the king/regent and then on down the hierarchy (to be obeyed by the peasantry) COMPOUNDED with (particularly in the west) that /kernel of truth/ (again, same definition source) that human beings are inherently sinful/wicked and sans the hierarchy all would be lost

what humans are, inherently, is social and compassionate (lest perverted to believe otherwise) AND opportunistic (i.e. those prone to do the perverting) ... hence the necessity of lore and order, obviously based in reason and insulated against the more eager and unscrupulous opportunists; constant vigilance etc. etc.

of course, opportunism is also a trait highly conducive to survival for a generalist species such as ourselves

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhu_Xi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgyG9sScQ1U


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Anonymous 26/06/09(Tue)17:39 No. 17248

>>16979
People want favor not freedom




Anonymous 23/11/18(Sat)21:13 No. 15353 [Reply]
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If there is such thing as reincarnation, I dont wanna come back as a human ever again.

Nope.

Even if God Himself promises that I will never suffer from poverty, slavery, disease, etc again.

I may not, but someone else will.
How can we truly enjoy human life when it comes at the expense of others?

All the luxuries enjoyed by any class of people have always been at the cost of exploiting other classes.

I would rather be an astral being roaming the cosmos, enjoying the wonders of thousands of stars and planets.

The pleasures of human existence are nice but sirely limited. The only thing that motivates humans is imagination.

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Anonymous 26/06/09(Tue)02:32 No. 17242

>>17047
>>15363
Useless platitudes


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Anonymous 26/06/09(Tue)02:32 No. 17243

>>17047
>>15363
Useless platitudes


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Anonymous 26/06/09(Tue)02:32 No. 17244

>>17047
>>15363
Useless platitudes





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