/phi/ - Philosophy

A Quote From HP Lovecraft. Anonymous 20/07/14(Tue)21:45 No. 14571 ID: 8bb3c7 [Reply]

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Lovecraft makes reference to a social phenomenon noticed in much less poetic terms by Nietzsche in his work "The Mad Man" several decades prior.
The phenomenon is in broad terms what some would call "The Death of God" or, perhaps more literally the discovery of the origins of man as a biological organism shaped through the whims of nature without great interference from a creator at any given point.
It was Lovecraft's assertion (as well as Nietzsche interestingly) that the ensuing conclusions of such knowledge would either force man into emotional reasertions of such superstitions as he had been originally disposed to (IE Fascism, Fundamentalism, Theocracy) or the complete and utter abandonment of all values including self preservation towards an end of ultimate insanity and destruction (IE Communism, Anarchism, Nihilism).
It is between these two conclusions that the vast majority of the 20th was fought.
And while they may SEEM to be the only conclusions given the data i believe there is a third option.
IE the Understanding of Man as biological organism and the objective and inherent purpose that entails.
This has been realized (albeit imperfectly) in the form of National Socialism which, while only briefly attempted in Germany, can and should create an objective morality around which human beings can orient their lives.
All things from sex, to murder to breathing can be understood to be objectively good or bad in so far as they either help or hinder the procreation of ones genes as their objectively and undeniably evolutionary creatures in the material world with the objective and express purpose to pass on as much of their genetic material as possible.
This is thus the next step in the philosophical journey of western man and that which will give us objective meaning and an objectively true morality to organize our societies on the basis of.

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Anonymous 20/10/29(Thu)22:30 No. 14617 ID: aa1b38

>>14589
So you wrote that long a wall of text just to drive the same threadbare nihilistic point home?

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Anonymous 20/10/30(Fri)03:16 No. 14620 ID: 7cb4c3

>>14589
Value can be natural, value can be universal even. Without assigning value, the term itself implies a superior function.

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Anonymous 22/01/16(Sun)23:54 No. 14885 ID: 182caf

>>14573
You don't understand: the realization of God's tenets as a law is a burden, not a alleviation.

If you do delve into the eldritch, it doesn't leave you away just like that. NO matter how much pretty your morals and objectioves for mankind may be.

Anonymous 21/12/03(Fri)15:49 No. 14864 ID: d1a90b [Reply]

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You start any idea of by presenting why its important.
I don't know how I could possibly justify how important this Idea you are about to read is.
I have to contain myself from not writing profanity over my lack of words for how imperative it is for society as a whole that this idea be understood by its leaders.

Its better to be a loud retard, than a quiet genius, this idea will present itself brash, in a hurry, profane as it is profound.

The short version:
Memes are a mind virus, a parasite upon their host, they control your motivation, what you want, and makes you want to serve its replication rather than the other way around as was its original function.

The virus.
A virus used to be a phenotypic machine, a product of and or a function of the phenotype, depending on how you look at it.
The machines that operate within your body may seem friendly, but they are in fact selfish, your body trust their machines will operate you for your benefit, but this may not always be the case and this very trust by your body will portray a major weakness.
Because the only thing that keeps your machines and functions in line with the interest of the phenotype is the constraints that the phenotype presents.
The phenotype will prove a major handicap to the replicators it hosts, and this handicap is what makes the replicators inside your body seem friendly.
But if the constraints is in any way lifted, by for instance being able to change body, switching to a different phenotype will lift the constraints these replicators would otherwise have.
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Anonymous 21/12/03(Fri)15:58 No. 14865 ID: d1a90b

>>14864
I honestly should proofread this before I click post.
>The motivation that people under the influence of the meme has, gradually goes from spreading themselves, to spreading the gene.
Should be changed to:
The motivations that people under the influence of the meme has, gradually goes from spreading the gene to spreading the meme.

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Anonymous 21/12/04(Sat)01:28 No. 14866 ID: 73b1ac

who cares faget

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Anonymous 21/12/17(Fri)10:30 No. 14870 ID: d841a3

I just wanna get fucked in amazon position by my mom

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Youth ≠ Innocence/Idealism Anonymous 21/10/21(Thu)06:00 No. 14821 ID: 05bf3b [Reply]

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I know people will disagree with me, but I'm tired of society treating under-25 as helpless puppies that shouldn't be allowed ANY form of independence.

I hate how whenever a young person makes a mistake or has a flaw, they attribute to youth, yet older people can be flawed and accident-prone and still have their personhood respected.

I especially hate how when it comes to young criminals, they assume that because they're young that they were "indoctrinated/misguided". No they're not. They knew what they were doing.
Especially when it comes to statutory rape. Alot of cases of man-on-girl "rape" are initiated by the minor. These young girls are worldly-ambitious and will do anything to have a taste of riches and adoration. It's only when the money and gifts stop coming that they yell "RAPE!"

Our society punishes young people whom show worldly-awareness and cynicism. Children are being forced into positivity. Any child who likes dark/edgy humor or isn't into the whole happy-go-lucky overtness that children are assumed to have are seen as defective.

This idea of youth as innocence/idealism is moral passive-agression from adults.
It's why adolescence was invented, why helicopter parenting and zero-tolerance rules are allowed to smother kids to death.

Then adults have the nerve to wonder why the newer generations are supposedly "declining"?

I'm sorry, but the social-legal invention of Childhood-as-Eden was a recent development from the 19th century that was realized in the 1940s.
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Anonymous 21/11/29(Mon)07:11 No. 14848 ID: a0ae1e

>>14838>lol you JUSS mad bcuz mommy won't let you play Xbox after nine!

You don't get it don't you?

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Anonymous 21/11/29(Mon)13:44 No. 14849 ID: 15c902

I see a pedo trying to justify statutory rape

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Anonymous 21/11/29(Mon)21:23 No. 14850 ID: eb5b27

>>14849
How does talking about the moral/social inequality against youth translate into pedophilia?

Anonymous 21/10/21(Thu)20:31 No. 14824 ID: 15744d [Reply]

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How long do I have to study philosophy before I can start speaking/writing like this?

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Anonymous 21/10/22(Fri)04:22 No. 14825 ID: d2a5e8

There's nothing stopping you from being a pretentious twat right now. You just need to take the first step.

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Anonymous 21/11/19(Fri)00:43 No. 14844 ID: 90d962

If you want to sound smart study English Writing.

Egoist God Anonymous 21/08/23(Mon)04:54 No. 14793 ID: 619747 [Reply]

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Imagine God is an egoist. After all, if man is modeled after God, and man is inherently self-interested, it would make sense for God to be so too. Why would humanity matter to God? What use would man serve to God? If God doesn't care about us, are we essentially godless?

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Anonymous 21/08/31(Tue)09:46 No. 14799 ID: 041363

god for me is a guy in lab suit looking into a telescope, hes probably an ordinary guy in "god land", and the same for his god infinatly

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Anonymous 21/10/21(Thu)20:16 No. 14823 ID: a5b5d8

>>14793
Wait, what if God also believes in a God above him?

Free will is fake Anonymous 21/03/07(Sun)13:37 No. 14688 ID: 7c7beb [Reply]

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If our behavior is dictated by nature and nurture then where is the free will at. Nature is our innate neurology and nurture is the ingrained actions of others. Neither of which we have control over.

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Anonymous 21/04/08(Thu)03:15 No. 14727 ID: a7c52b

>>14714
Suicide is just an escape from an intolerable existence. Given a choice between a life that is good and a life that is horribly unbearable and painful, anyone would choose the good life yes. But choosing between death and the painful life, most would choose death. The only thing that stops them is if they were brainwashed as children into believing that this will only bring them to an afterlife that is worse.

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Anonymous 21/04/09(Fri)22:49 No. 14730 ID: db23ed

>>14688
I'd say the free will argument is mostly predicated on the idea that some aspect of reality is "goal-oriented," or teleological. Which means that if something has a goal as a property of what it means to exist, then that necessarily entails an "exclusion" of other goals in the way that it actualizes it's own potential.

So, let's say my goal today is to drive to the liquor store and buy some Maker's Mark for my underage girlfriend. For me to have that goal, I have to reject the other places (even in a general sense) that are NOT the liquor store, and reject all other things that are NOT Maker's Mark. This means that, at the moment I make the choice, I am considering an array of options, and have made a choice to take one, to the exclusion of all the others that I have knowledge of.

The alternative to this is to take a materialist position (a very common one among post-Enlightenment philosophers), which is that all proximate and remote causes are random and non-conscious, which means that all the effects of those causes are random and non-conscious. The problem here, of course, is the mind, being goal-oriented, seems to be the exception to that rule, which means that reality is at least partly goal-oriented, if only because the mind is literally in reality. That seems to lead to some kind of dualism, which has it's own problems. Some philosophers have endorsed "panpsychism" as a way out, while others have simply doubled-down on materialism.

Noam Chomsky famously wrote that no one can define these terms meaningfully enough to even form a question relevant to the problem, so it essentially doesn't matter. Philosophers like Ed Feser and some others disagree, and so do I.

I personally endorse the freedom of the will, but only because I believe the intellect is partly immaterial, which is also the position endorsed by Ed Feser and James Ross.

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Anonymous 21/10/21(Thu)06:31 No. 14822 ID: 05bf3b

Christianity says that God has predestined everybody. If that's so, then free will is a bribe to make people suck the pastors dick.
Honestly, Christianity reeks of copium and white narcissism.

Anarchist Q&A Anonymous 18/08/18(Sat)01:24 No. 13599 ID: c89d35 [Reply]

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Anarchist Q&A; ASK ME ANYTHING
(Doesn't even have to be about my politics)

I'm sick and fucking tired of seeing people over worked, over taxed, and under payed. Fire at will.

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Anonymous 20/12/14(Mon)00:52 No. 14663 ID: baa2f3

What are you on?

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Anonymous 20/12/14(Mon)22:55 No. 14664 ID: 72281e

Any model of anarchy simply results in small collectives of power that over time coalesce into larger collectives, which become governments. This is how society happened the first time around. Why would you possibly think you can prevent this should it happen again? You can't just NOT HAVE ANYONE IN CHARGE; a civilization cannot function that way. Hell, a book club with five members won't function that way.

You'll note that there really isn't any such thing as anarchist movements in countries with good social welfare systems. In those countries, their taxes actually go to stuff they use like free higher education, state healthcare, and city beautification; they have no problem paying their taxes. Contrast that to in America, where taxes go to bailout corporations, to line the wallet of billionaire CEOs, and fund the military industrial complex. Plus there are no worker protections so everyone ends up underpaid and overworked.

Really, the question I will provide is actually a rhetorical one: why the fuck are you proposing eliminating government, when the reality is you just want a government that functions properly?

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Anonymous 21/10/08(Fri)02:45 No. 14814 ID: d2a5e8

Cooperatives, yay or nay?

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Anonymous 21/09/25(Sat)05:16 No. 14809 ID: 25cd70

Deep.