/phi/ - Philosophy

Anonymous 25/11/25(Tue)09:38 No. 16997 [Reply]

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/one of the things about civilization is that once all its energy is invested in a particular ideal [regardless of what that ideal is] it is very difficult, despite [the obvious ramifications], for that civilization to change course/

to sorta paraphrase an apt thought from this nice talk on mayan archeology/society... we're still an agrarian peoples that, by and large, cling to much the same fantastical lore o' yore with shiny tech and cities to give us the illusion that we aren't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFcugYGf4RQ

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Anonymous 25/11/25(Tue)10:58 No. 16998

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hey, we even do human sacrifice still, and as with everything, at a much larger scale... suppose we valued resolution more so... until then, prayers and rain dances~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfm7cOJfOjk

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banned from equestria daily 25/11/25(Tue)19:35 No. 17001

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>>16997
I would heavily question how you interpersonally define the concept of an ideal. An ideal cannot exist within one genetically homogenized person it must be shared amongst like minded mutations of the same set to count as a social instinct. The odd man out is the genetically superior or neurologically replete member that disguises themselves with emotionally and memetically invested ninjutsu.

">">『regardless of what the ideal is』a concept. How do you build a concept? The more dangerous question in a civilization of based fire is 'how do you tear a concept down and scatter knowledge of it to the dark corners of the mind'.

We are not an agrarian people. An agrarian people would vitally use every inch of space they could to dodge starvation. The sides of buildings would be grape wineries in fall and blackberry meeting spots in spring and olive orchards in summer. Highway meridians would not feature calmingly civilized fern plants but cactus and bamboo and small stands of corn or even coconuts. The amount of un harvested coconuts in Miami. The police will ride your ass for displaying common sense.

An agrarian society is a society of underwater cities and kelp farming and hydroponics. What this civilization is cannot move past the crescent fertile delta and the threat of the desert.

<<『the obvious ramifications』 are that the foreigner is the mythical creature that sojourns the desert and is made of the other. <<

The mathematical assumption being I'm not talking to my entire species with a single person. My species is not your species howsoever.

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Anonymous 25/11/27(Thu)04:56 No. 17006

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EigfHLZHQkE

Anonymous 25/11/23(Sun)23:08 No. 16992 [Reply]

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Can we as a society/civilization please refrain from legitimizing conspiracy "theorists" with the term "theorist".

Of course many of us understand that they are more analogous to religious believers than any kind of theoretician, where, the impetus is, more so, to disprove a theory. Where as, obviously, these folks have zero inclination to disprove their "theory" and, in fact, will readily discard any contrary information and readily grasp for anything that reinforces their cognitive-bias, even if it means fanciful (to say the least) mental gymnastics.

Indeed, dispensing with the belief brokers the same cognitive dissonance as doing so with a deeply (if not necessarily sincerely, or more aptly perhaps, with any kind of fidelity) held religious belief that underpins one's sense of self.

bonus aside, select leaders for their actions and not for their slogans or brand-affiliation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NIvo7z3Z90

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Anonymous 25/11/24(Mon)01:27 No. 16994

R u trying to bump off the legendary phi threads

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Anonymous 25/11/24(Mon)09:50 No. 16995

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which brings us to the concept of rabbit hole-ism, or in non-buzzword, and certainly not as intellectually deep /sounding/, parlance: tunnel vision

hm, contextual-ambiance~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7N51K7Cz-w

Anonymous 25/11/21(Fri)14:24 No. 16979 [Reply]

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one supposes, obviously, that the simple fact of the matter is that free-will is much too terrifying for much of the herd, and they are much more inclined (perhaps reticent) to wear the labels and play the roles doled out by those they merely perceive as having some sort of authority, when in actuality, the exalted among us, too, are beholden to self-imposed... farce.

To be sure, if the role is brimming with excess licentiousness, then all the better.

For where is conducting one's self civilly and with the common-interest at heart of interest?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCZcBmaZbl0

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Anonymous 25/11/21(Fri)16:33 No. 16980

#41- Scholars of the highest class, when they hear about the Tao, earnestly carry it into practice. Scholars of the middle class, when they have heard about it, seem now to keep it and now to lose it. Scholars of the lowest class, when they have heard about it, laugh greatly at it. If it were not thus laughed at, it would not be fit to be the Tao (...)

#1- (...) Always without desire we must be found, if it's deep mystery we would sound; But if desire always within us be, It's outer fringe is all that we shall see (...)

I'd offer to translate, but I really don't know how it can be said any more clearly..

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Anonymous 25/11/21(Fri)20:08 No. 16984

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perhaps it's that free-will (or personal liberty) is readily (and very much intentionally) conflated with anarchy/disorder/disobedience

obviously the result of a tradition that proposes that the "natural order" descends from a divinity (with a top-down definition) to the king/regent and then on down the hierarchy (to be obeyed by the peasantry) COMPOUNDED with (particularly in the west) that /kernel of truth/ (again, same definition source) that human beings are inherently sinful/wicked and sans the hierarchy all would be lost

what humans are, inherently, is social and compassionate (lest perverted to believe otherwise) AND opportunistic (i.e. those prone to do the perverting) ... hence the necessity of lore and order, obviously based in reason and insulated against the more eager and unscrupulous opportunists; constant vigilance etc. etc.

of course, opportunism is also a trait highly conducive to survival for a generalist species such as ourselves

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhu_Xi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgyG9sScQ1U

Anonymous 25/11/14(Fri)15:10 No. 16971 [Reply]

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hm, conservatives (if in name only) went from premarital sex and sexually active teens is bad, to condoning pedophilia and sex trafficking.

obviously they can't (but almost certainly will) argue cultural relativity, anthropology, or history (our lifespans were much more brief, thus procreating as early as possible so as to raise the child before the parents died) because it would be woke and such.

to be sure, procreation or genuine affection is not really the objective, so much as wanton gratification for a self-entitled few and selectively for those who adequately fill the coffers, well, should it be politically expedient to afford the unkempt masses an indulgence or two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ToBlvZZxJ4

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Anonymous 25/11/14(Fri)19:43 No. 16973

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and of course, every human group in history has had norms/customs and transgressing, particularly egregiously (all the more so if compounded with glaring hypocrisy), is normally met with repercussions. and most people, certainly those with compassion and ethics/morality, don't tolerate abuse and exploitation of vulnerable/weak members of their society (or humanity in general), i.e. women and children. though, one supposes, chivalry is as foreign a concept as learning.

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Anonymous 25/11/14(Fri)20:03 No. 16974

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hey, isn't there a term for people who propose radical, and often rapid, societal change... /progressives/ correct?

ladies, ya'll don't need to apply liberal amounts of makeup or get liberal injections of botox to prove your worth, and if yo man don't like it, he has the liberty to find a new (prepubescent seems to be the ideal) female (or male) and you can liberate yourself from the shackles of repression and maybe hook-up with a sensitive liberal-arts professor (free lattes, amirite?), or something~ LIBerty is kinda nice, eh~

I accuse programmers of bourgeoisie Anonymous 19/06/17(Mon)23:46 No. 14025 [Reply]

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I wrote an essay https://byrd.im/on-language/

It’s in everyone’s best interest to take system design of computer networks out of greedy and possessive hands of software engineers, attempting a little revolution-like sleight of hand trick, that would allow anyone concerned with things like language, logic, and problem-solving—to easily learn about, or maybe even directly affect how things around them are run.

4 posts omitted. Click Reply to view.

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katejonson 25/11/13(Thu)19:03 No. 16968

Die Unterstützung von Kommilitonen ist für mich unglaublich wichtig. Wir tauschen uns regelmäßig aus, geben uns Feedback und motivieren uns gegenseitig. Allein wäre alles viel schwieriger.

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a 25/11/13(Thu)19:21 No. 16969

Heute hatte ich Schwierigkeiten, meinen Aufsatz zu starten. Ich besuchte https://wirschreiben.com/diplomarbeit-schreiben-lassen/ und holte mir einige Ideen. Danach konnte ich alles selbst schreiben. Es ist praktisch, wenn man mal keine Inspiration hat, aber selbstständig arbeiten will.

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Anonymous 25/11/14(Fri)19:40 No. 16972

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>>14034
What do you want me to say that you don't already know is going to be said in advance? Sayonara and I'm taking your stolen children with me.
Say my name!
Artificial DNA aesop video game.

Anonymous 25/11/13(Thu)08:11 No. 16967 [Reply]

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What does the philosophy board think of this chart?

Anonymous 25/11/03(Mon)16:26 No. 16942 [Reply]

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In regards to the below excerpt-- should the ruler be an individual or an insular clique, then yes, they'll elevate themselves above the /masses/ and /liberate/ themselves so as to indulge at will and without restraint, however, should rule be vested in the populace, then the rulers (the people) will elevate themselves above humanity (namely it's carnal proclivities), however, should that rule not apply equally, then tyranny and trickle-down corruption.

"Sima Tan described the fa school (Fajia) as emphasizing administrative protocols that ignore kinship and social status, treating everyone equally and thereby elevating the ruler above humanity"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_(Chinese_philosophy)

further reading,、yamabushichan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Schools_of_Thought
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Schopenhauer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Aurelius
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashoka
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Goldman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Blavatsky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci7VK75sMsY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUw3iSRCYwM
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Anonymous 25/11/03(Mon)16:33 No. 16943

There has never been a system of governance without an elite core at the helm.

Also the median person is dumb af.

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Anonymous 25/11/03(Mon)19:25 No. 16946

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>>16943
Perhaps optimists would simply ascribe their condition to complacency, and the point is moreso that the governing elite (a (highly) subjective term) must be held to account/standards (regardless of their role).

~

To be sure, indulgence is an inevitability, in hereditary systems you can have a philosopher king one day and a tween-tyrant the next, and in less pompous might-makes-right (or more aptly, barbarism-makes-dumb) regimes their very nature rewards and necessitates depravity/regression/intolerance which is ultimately deleterious to society, certainly modern complex (socially and technically) ones. Indeed, is there a modern civilization that employs such governance, that is not materially/culturally impoverished (even if they have a superficial facade to the contrary)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUC2EQvdzmY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIXUgtNC4Kc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eDkFlVSwnk

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Anonymous 25/11/11(Tue)00:15 No. 16961

>>16946
Most philosopher-kings were tyrants. And in hereditary system of government, most “tween tyrants” are only working on behalf of a vice-regent.

Anonymous 25/11/05(Wed)17:23 No. 16951 [Reply]

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what is longing other than protracted (and often unattainable) lust?

certainly a core emotion/trait to engrain/foster in a capitalist system, that's not to say, nor expected, that everyone ought to strive (a variant of longing?) for some aesthetic ideal... rather, a healthy/keen ability to discern frivolous shit and define oneself/others by the merit of their actions/character as opposed to their material accessories~ maybe.

nor is it advocacy for socialism, direct gov control of industry, or communism/collective-ownership (though sharing/cooperation is usually virtuous)-- hm, subsidized industry is indirect socialism? a free-market absolutist would argue that an enterprise should/must be allowed to succeed or fail on its own, why is it the role of government to provide welfare to an uncompetitive company (indeed, seems to only reward incompetitiveness-- a macro version of not wanting or needing to seek employment when you get a foodstamps, ya know)? To maintain employment? Is that not the precise function of a free market, to enable companies who can compete to replace those who can't... well, seemingly antiquated notions of nation-states and borders and such, aside. :/

miscellanea~
hyper-transcontextual-postsurrealism-addadjectivesandprofit~
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Pure_Ones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWLg7_G0_go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eDkFlVSwnk

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Anonymous 25/11/05(Wed)17:52 No. 16952

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Hm, instead of being a colonialist social-club, perhabs the un (or some such organization) could serve as the basis for global-citizenship. :D

bbbut my tribal quasi-ethnic in-group, bro, my flag is who i am~

pie-in-the-sky and then you die, as the saying goes~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuHeEWy3MmQ

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sage 25/11/08(Sat)00:43 No. 16957

>>16952
Define problem and I'll give you solutions, if I'm capable, now it sounds like you're just talking.

But if you ask me how to run society or civilization, I don't have the answer, to pretty much anything. Other than that if you consider yourself a good person, you should be powerful and capable. That's it. For now. The fog of war is too thick. But in a sense, yes, there is a war. But, if there is going to be a moment of clarity and the fog is lifted, even for just a minute, and I feel like such a moment will come, we will need the good men to be capable, because if that opportunity comes, yet we don't have the ones to fill in the roles, well, that opportunity might come only briefly or only once. I have an intuition that it will come.. and within our lifetimes. A RARE opportunity that usually doesn't show up for hundreds or thousands of years. Prepare for that, not by building a tribe or a family, prepare it for it by building yourself. No one will agree with you on your politics and your metaphysics. No one. Yet collaboration is worth it. It's just that right now the fog of war is too thick to know what to collaborate on.. for the most part.. there may be a thing of or two, but BUILD YOURSELF, for the most part.. as you put yourself on the trajectory of those one or two things.

Overall though, all of this is barely of any importance in the grand scheme of things. Because... the grand scheme of things.. is rather grand.

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sage 25/11/08(Sat)00:46 No. 16958

This better
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jmdiKePVUy8

the philosophy of sleep and death is the ultimate philosophy caller sign - Neptune 25/11/03(Mon)17:47 No. 16944 [Reply]

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Yesterday I fell asleep. The day before that, at the end of the day - I still fell asleep. Today I may fall asleep. Tomorrow I'll either fall asleep or I will die.

#eepybby

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Anonymous 25/11/03(Mon)17:53 No. 16945

>>16944
It's one of the few things that puts my restless mind to ease

#eepyboy

Anonymous 25/11/02(Sun)12:38 No. 16935 [Reply]

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An philosophical consideration of economics and governance.

bros, fiat currency be built upon complex bureaucratic/technical systemS and crapto all the more so. And, any material stores of wealth are subject to depletion and/or entropy (natural or/and anthropomorphic)... and if dat shit ain't food, it's intrinsic value rests solely upon faith that it can be exchanged for food.

Which brings us to the importance of stable/rational good-faith actors of semi-at-least competence, /wise/ if you're given to idealism (wild,、 should you subscribe to cynicism in the modern mode)~

bros before hoes, but sometimes bros can be hoes, in the infidelity/treasury sense, so ya know, trust and discernment

~to state ze obvious~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnT58cIJSpw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjRQxRREIqk

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Anonymous 25/11/02(Sun)18:25 No. 16936

Idk, most of my value as a man is lock into pension funds and Argentian mining companies. If shit hits the fan I've got nothing, I don't even have woman or children.

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Anonymous 25/11/02(Sun)19:05 No. 16937

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sugar and spice and (eventually) everything nice
spice and sugar and combustion (your mother)
~」𧬆「~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BQLE_RrTSU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxzgwJ8tSE0

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Anonymous 25/11/02(Sun)19:36 No. 16938

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>>16936
not to be condescending, but don't worry about being a man (or anything really)~ enjoy existence, be mindful of friends, family/community and enjoy what you have while you have it and, if so inclined, do what you can to improve the lot of humanity as a whole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2W4z9n8Te0