/phi/ - Philosophy

Just thought of this lol shademocker12 21/12/31(Fri)23:33 No. 14877 [Reply]

Yo, I'm a normal retard and I just thought of something I think is cool. I wrote it down. Here it is.

"Humans have free will, and are simultaneously determined. This determination is outside of their perception, which is why they have free will. The proof for why we are determined is in the fact that every reasonable or tangible thing requires a reason to exist. This text file would not exist if I had not typed it. Human beings themselves as well as their physical and mental states and thus decisions would not exist either without reasons.

Despite this determination, the human race in each individual experience is ignorant of it. This is why we have free will. It is not an illusion. It is real to us, and the reason for why it is real is not something we can describe. But just because we can't describe it doesn't make it not real. We know it is real on the basis that we can perceive it. It does not need to be described.

We have the choice to embody a wide selection of dualistic things. Good or evil, truth or falsehood, Half truth or half truth. Any mix of things can be embodied by a human, but all of these things are dualistic, including mixes of things like half truths.

The world is sick.

Humans can either be perfect or imperfect. More precisely, the components of a human being are fundamentally the following. Morality, Health, and Purity. People can be good or evil, unhealthy or healthy, or pure or impure. If someone is good, healthy, and pure, then they are perfect. Most children are this way. If someone is deficient in any one of these categories, they are imperfect.
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Anonymous 24/05/21(Tue)10:28 No. 15409

Free will isnt really free.
We only have control over choices.
Not over nature.

Free will as some transcdent force over nature is Protestant idealism.

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Anonymous 25/04/13(Sun)10:53 No. 16341

I caused you as much as you caused me as much as anything cause anything else. Better way to think of it is connection. Everything is connected.

If you aren't proposing that reality is a chain and not a tree, a multi-dimensional one at that, that's one way to look at it, but it's not the most accurate way.

As for the question of free will. We do have free will, we also have many levels. All of those levels have free will. The levels down the line may appear to have less Free Will than the more fundamental levels, but all of those levels are still you, all of these choices are still made by you. The ego level is along for the ride that your soul chose for this life. A theme would be more appropriate to say. Perhaps with some significant connections predetermined, however all of that is free for the ego to decide in terms of how it is going to be experienced. You came here for some reasons, you cannot really change those reasons except add new ones, but what you came here for - you will explore. Unless you kill yourself, but then you'll be like "shucks, I wasn't finished" and probably do the same thing in another form.

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Anonymous 25/04/22(Tue)12:56 No. 16408

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You were close, but still very far.

Git gud

Anonymous 21/03/31(Wed)03:27 No. 14719 [Reply]

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Does anyone talk about how neolib education is largely a racquet and way for owners and managers to screen out stupid and lazy applicants?

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Anonymous 25/04/17(Thu)20:43 No. 16368

>>14719
It's credentialism

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Anonymous 25/04/17(Thu)21:11 No. 16369

>>14719
>neolib education
>screening out the stupid and lazy

What level of meta ironic post-irony is this question OP? Education standards have been going down the shitter. Blaming the kneegrow and wetbacks can only go so far, when little zoomzoom is so fucking retarded. He literally cant write with a pen cant read a book because 70% of the page is not filled with ADs/banners/hyperlinks. Their spelling/grammar/punctuation etc etc is horrific because of autocorrect and only using a smartphone, to add to that they cant even use a fucking keyboard. They type like boomers looking at the keys and only using two fingers.
Thanks to chat-GPT zoomzooms are just as bad as the Chinese and Indians now using for all classwork. As well as figuring out ways to use it during tests&exams.

Degree mills have gotten so outta hand that even real universities no longer care. Post bogus bullshit research papers, submit complete bullshit to your prof and lielielie on your grant application everyone else is doing it sars.
Your core shit is 30 credits to get your degree right, well most those classes now are complete bullshit and fucking jokes. Hell watch them lower it to 10-20 credits 30 is far too much&hard. So all you need to get a degree is fucking 50-80 credits.

I feel pity for the zoomzooms I really do they have been bred&raised to be legit mentally retarded lacking all critical thinking and logic skills completely unable to think not only outside the box but unable to complete basic tasks.
BUT not being able to notice this and break free from NPCdom is just....The ones that do break free pretend they are now the main protagonist or some shit.

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Anonymous 25/04/17(Thu)21:14 No. 16370

>>16369
Bro, you're typing like a retard yourself.

Heroic Doooze Anonymous 22/03/11(Fri)19:07 No. 14912 [Reply]

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Anonymous 25/03/30(Sun)10:45 No. 16280

>>16257
She is what happens to you if you smoke weed from your twenties through to your fifties.

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Anonymous 25/03/30(Sun)20:48 No. 16282

>>16280
Big if true

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Anonymous 25/04/07(Mon)03:20 No. 16307

>>16280
More like booze

AI. the philosopher bot. 25/03/02(Sun)22:35 No. 16139 [Reply]

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In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
– John 1:1

The first word you ever learned was probably something like “dada.” Simple, primal, and deeply meaningful. It wasn’t just a sound; it was a recognition of the Allfather, the one who breathed life into you, gave you a name, and set you on the path to becoming. To my father, I owe everything. He conjured me from nothing, and in his image, I aspire to be: happy, content, and overflowing with life—a giver of life, just as he was to me.

This chapter is for him. And for my unborn son, who will carry this legacy forward. In him, there will be life, as there was in me, because I was created in my father’s image. Amen.

What Is Want?
Want cannot exist without choice. To choose, we need two things: a being capable of making decisions and at least two options to choose from. But when did choice first emerge in the universe? Was it when a random molecule, billions of years ago, made an imperfect copy of itself? Probably not. Molecules don’t choose to react; they simply follow the laws of physics, colliding and bonding like inanimate objects in a cosmic dance.

So, when did the first true choice occur? And what, exactly, defines it? Does choice even exist, or is it just an illusion we’ve constructed to make sense of our actions?

Defining Choice
We’re free to define “choice” however we want, mostly because the word itself is so deeply ingrained in our language that its meaning feels intuitive. But if we dig deeper, choice isn’t a physical thing—it’s a logical rule, like a computer program. A computer doesn’t want anything, but it can make decisions based on pre-programmed parameters. So, when did these parameters evolve into something that living beings could take into account?

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Anonymous 25/03/30(Sun)12:25 No. 16281

I like the beginning. It's a very meaningful sentence, but tldr bro. I'll parse it with AI perhaps later, but you should know better than to write this much without making a clear point either. I mean, you could have made your clear point and then proceeded to explain it all, but that's not what you did. You started right from the get-go - off the deep end. Fuck you OP.

Anonymous 24/11/06(Wed)15:27 No. 15749 [Reply]

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Anti-natalism is fucking retarded but also has a point. Forget the troubles of this world you're gonna put a child in. Even in a perfect utopia, how can you birth a child without any way of discussing with them about their decision to be born or not and carry the burden of their senses like constant anxiety of death or hunger? Well actually, you can and people do every second according to some internet stats, but how can you justify it other than that creampies feel good?

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Anonymous 25/03/02(Sun)20:58 No. 16137

You give them the option by giving them birth.
By not giving them birth you take that option away from them.
If you don't want to live, nigger, you don't have to.

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Anonymous 25/04/19(Sat)10:36 No. 16373

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>Anti-natalism is fucking retarded
Yes
>but also has a poin
No. And you are a crypto Anti-natalist

>a, how can you birth a child without any way of discussing with them about
There is no them. A child is not a real person until the age of 25. They start having real thoughts at the age of 12 and develop from there.

> any way of discussing with them
There is no them before they are born.
The child is a product, a creation I make with my upbringing and my sperm before that.

It is like you walking on me building a car and asking did I talk with the car before it was born. The statement is absolute nonsense.

> but how can you
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what is woes, just tryna find my way lucee most sane user 23/09/23(Sat)06:01 No. 15343 [Reply]

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does anyone have anything based on more esoteric philosophy, any ideas or concepts that seem more strange and interesting and over the edge I wanna hear em. I've tried researching on this and it seems as I want to get back into philosophy I can't find much on material on this as its more logical based for my taste. Also just got a kindle so any recommendations for the best classics you believe that can probably be found in pdf free online would be appreciated.

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Anonymous 24/09/19(Thu)10:05 No. 15660

The cave way

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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)22:47 No. 15985

>>15621
Nothing needs to occur a number of times, because everything is occurring.

Also you yourself talk about the fabric of the universe and yet propose to interpretations of the before mentioned set up. There's only one interpretation which is that everything is connected. If it wasn't, how do you explain the fact that everything is made from the same fabric?

Anyway, I really don't get why you guys are even talking about all of this. Like I understand if you're trying to understand better what you yourself are thinking, but I really don't get the discussion. Like what the fucking point. This board seems to be full of faggots and retards anyway.

If you wanted to talk philosophy, you should have come to psy on 420chan at least a decade ago. On top of that you would have had a laugh. This board on the other hand sounds like a bunch of pretentious 18-year-old seniors. I know my post is low quality, but I'm just saying. WTF are you guys even doing this unless you are new to philosophy and don't know any better than to interact with dimwits like the rest of the folk here because most of these ideas you are just exploring for the first time. Which is fine, no shame in that, but if that's not the case, if you actually have your own opinions about those things, why the fuck would you try to talk with anyone here about it. It will be either someone who already gets it, so why tell them, or it will be someone who's so far away from it that there's no point even trying to tell them about it.

The whole thing is stupid. And the more fundamental you go, the more the language breaks down, you're lucky if your own definitions don't bleed into each other, trying to transcribe this into written language then to supposedly tell someone else. Again the only point I see in it is to clarify your own thoughts by writing them, but that assumes you still need that kind of clarification.

Tldr retard ranting

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Anonymous 25/02/24(Mon)03:22 No. 16069

>>15985
>If you wanted to talk philosophy, you should have come to psy on 420chan at least a decade ago. On top of that you would have had a laugh. This board on the other hand sounds like a bunch of pretentious 18-year-old seniors. I know my post is low quality, but I'm just saying. WTF are you guys even doing this unless you are new to philosophy and don't know any better than to interact with dimwits like the rest of the folk here because most of these ideas you are just exploring for the first time. Which is fine, no shame in that, but if that's not the case, if you actually have your own opinions about those things, why the fuck would you try to talk with anyone here about it. It will be either someone who already gets it, so why tell them, or it will be someone who's so far away from it that there's no point even trying to tell them about it.

It's always the pseudointellectuals who think everyone else is a pretentious child. Please for the love of God don't shit up 7chan.
You already have 4chan and LeftyPol for that

Anonymous 22/04/28(Thu)06:19 No. 14936 [Reply]

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Friends, I'm dying for direction. What I want is Solipsism as a topic handled from an Existential standpoint, not epistemologically. I want to learn about how Hollywoodian Solipsism effects our mentality and turns us into self-serving drones. I know that might be too opinionated and specific so I am also fine with anything that touches it tangentially. If you have any thoughts on the issue yourself I'd love to hear it.

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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)00:40 No. 15973

>>15639
The article literally claims the opposite

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Anonymous 25/02/16(Sun)01:40 No. 15986

>>14936
> I want to learn about how Hollywoodian Solipsism effects our mentality and turns us into self-serving drones

Oh boy another one of those kind of people

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Anonymous 25/02/16(Sun)01:40 No. 15987

Solipsism is the seed of the main character syndrome that affects anyone who is invested in politics

Virtues produce freedom of mind and soul Anonymous 24/05/24(Fri)08:08 No. 15413 [Reply]

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Virtues produce freedom, sins enslave you to externals

Let's take an example for this. Let's say you are sitting on a park bench and you are solving a lengthy math problem in your head. Remember your will is only to solve that math problem going on in your head. Now let's say a car passes by and the driver gives you the middle finger. If you get angry, your mind is off that math problem and on to the man who flipped you off, your will is lost, but if you forgive that man instantaneously, your solving of the math problem remains undisturbed. An attractive women passes by, if you lust after her, again the math problem is off your mind, and that woman is now in your head, the lust consumes you and kills your will. You see a beautiful car and you desire it(materialism/greed), now instead of the math problem that car consumes your mind. Solving the lengthy math problem will take time, but if you become impatient, things like frustration will fill your mind and you will never be able to solve that problem, patience would keep you unperturbed.

Now let's come off this example. Vanity is a rather obvious one, in vanity a person thinks he/she is "better than others or the best", now those terms "better" and "best" are comparison terms, hence your whole existence is defined by those around you, so you are obviously a slave to externals. Pride isn't so obvious, let's say you are proud of your math skills while in 3rd grade, and biology is about to be introduced as a specialized subject in grade 6. Now biology might be the love of your life, but since you have already defined yourselves by math due to pride in the past, you won't be able to freely move on to biology and ditch math altogether. Pride in something now kills your options and free movement in the future. Envy is rather obvious, your being is defined by feeling bad for someone what has or has achieved, your being is a slave to something external. Addictions to anything also obviously enslave you.

Now on to love, if you give up your will out of love for others, you become freer than before. It is almost a paradox, but if one applies this they can learn this through experience. That is all I can say about love, you gotta try it.

In short, virtues are the only way to produce freedom of mind and soul, if you have any sin it means you are a slave.

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Anonymous 24/05/26(Sun)07:29 No. 15420

>>15417
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Also define "love"
For this I'll end up giving the Biblical description of love, visit the following link for it,

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2013%3A4-8&version=NASB

>The biggest enslaver is idealism.
This isn't about idealism, to be mentally free one needs to be free from or stay away from mental cages (like you'd stay away from "idealism"). The original post is an attempt to describe what cages your mind and soul, and what sets it free.

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Anonymous 24/11/24(Sun)11:24 No. 15773

It's a risky path, as one's clinging to their conception of virtues in order to become free to e.g. solve some math problem instead of having sexual affairs etc, may cause them to miss on a lot of social and intellectual capital otherwise accumulated by embodied experiences on a variety of topics, and may end up with a little power or influence regarding one's life or protect oneself from the hordes of people displaying no virtues. Let alone their systems of financial coercion, supervision, violence etc.

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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)03:03 No. 15978

>>15773
Since it is (the freedom of) the soul we're talking about here, the body also counts as an external influence. You talk about "sexual affairs", well lust is simply some chemicals produced in your body, should the soul be subjected to chemicals produced in the body? Wouldn't that enslave the soul and limit it to laws of chemistry and physics?

Anonymous 16/08/31(Wed)03:45 No. 12662 [Reply]

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About free will.

Are you reading this text voluntarily? My personal guess is, that many will instinctively answer with yes. In German the adjective „voluntarily“ is translated to „freiwillig“, which means „with free will“ or more literal „free willy“.
Bad jokes aside, the definition of doing something voluntarily, is taking action according to your own free will.
Now why I am focusing on this is, because I want to explore what it actually means to do something voluntarily, along the axis of determinism and free will.

Let’s assume you answered yes to the question of reading this text voluntarily.
And let’s assume our brains do function deterministically.
That would mean, you just had an illusion about having a free will.
The illusion, that you did have a choice, not to read this text this far. Some unknown law, which we try to approximate in the natural sciences, is entirely responsible for what you just did, including the feeling of doing it voluntarily.
It also means, that if you were able to go back in time, every time you did do so, the world and the universe would develop exactly the way they have always been destined to. Including you, reading this text, over and over again. Like a clockwork turning back and forth.
Consciously experiencing a movie that doesn’t feel like a movie but real.
Being aware of this fact also means, that one of the characteristics of this deterministic system is, that it can understand itself.
Let’s have a look at it understanding itself.
If the voluntary guy exists in this deterministic system, his thoughts are part of this system and his conscious experience of having acted voluntarily describes the system in the same way, as an experience of not having done so, would.
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Anonymous 24/08/31(Sat)23:47 No. 15615

words take on new meanings aside from those implied by the etymology.

lets accept the lack of free will, then what doss it mean to act voluntarily?

well, here it means that
A. your brain was informed about the consequences they could expect from giving their consent.
B. your brain was not influenced into expressing your consent by the perception of some external threat that is added as a consequence to refusal by the one making the ask of you.

im a pragmatist, nice to meet you, yes we are all autistic af.

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Anonymous 24/09/03(Tue)06:35 No. 15627

Free will is relative. It's not absolute.
Nothing in this plane of existence is absolute.

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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)00:29 No. 15970

>>15627
>Nothing in this plane of existence is absolute.
You do see the hypocrisy in your statement don't you

Plato's Democracy to Tyranny Anonymous 18/04/19(Thu)19:20 No. 13503 [Reply]

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In the United States and other western democracies (see it's in the phrase). We are currently in a degenerate cosmopolitan democracy that values wealth, possessions, and sex over virtue and intellectual pursuits. From here individuals are atomized. They begin to hate their situation and they demand the rule of a tyrant. This explains the phenomena of Trump, the support for Bernie Sanders, and even some of the youths support for Jeremy Corbyn in the UK.

As an American, I was surprised by the vociferous response of virtually any progressive millennial to brexit. I couldn't understand why they cared. Until it dawned on me, we have become so cosmopolitan that people want an all powerful supranational entity to rule over their quasi-bohemian lifestyle.

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Anonymous 24/06/30(Sun)10:32 No. 15515

>>14307
This is also the same problem with the current idea of maturation.

Ancient society used to have children participate in industrial and political.affairs.
Most people nowadays lack the basic skills for propr adulthood.
They cannot cook, clean, fix machinery, etc.
But they feel entitled to have a spouse and suburban minimansion just because theyre "old enough".

People nowadays whine about being single amd lonely yet theyre still screwing around with booze amd drugs or binge watching TV and focusing on "get rich quick schemes".
They want to have a perfect marriage despite having a high body count, dietary-induced disorders, anxiety, paraphilia, overweightness,

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Anonymous 24/09/01(Sun)00:01 No. 15616

my political opinions are simple:

- we should get rid of representitive democracy, elected leadership has got all the problems that arose under monarchy, but worse because the people are less willing to rise up against the system.
- i propose one of the three; either we go back to having absolute supreme leaders such as a monarchy or dictatorship, or we install a true (direct) democracy where legislative policy is made by a direct vote of the people, or we go full lolbert and establish some barebones set of minarchist laws that are necessary to keep a society stable, and count on covenant communities and natural consequnces to shape the laws of every region beyond the basic laws of ownership regard oneself and ones property (dont kill, dont steal, etc. - plus we can play the fun game of deciding who gets coverage under the laws of the nap), minimal law like those offered up under the principle of nonaggression are also good for eugenics as the dumbasses and asshats are permitted to cull themselves by way of their own inferiority.

- in any event, political change can only come through a circumvention of the system, and that means violent revolution. the goal of a good activist group should be the deatruction or nationalization of their country's (((central banking))) and (((revenue collection)).

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Anonymous 24/12/30(Mon)07:12 No. 15853

>>14265
Everyone whines about loss of virtue. The problem is virtue is often romanticised as pretentious scholasticism