>>16441
Stoicism is just the pretentious male version of "empathy".

Also, glorification of suffering is shallow.
I notice that people who romanticise suffering often are ignorant of real life people going through problems

They think life is exactly like action adventure movies

>>16441
>the stoics put heavy focus on dedication, honest hard work, mastery of pleasure and pain, moderation, balance, stability, honorable conduct etc. So basically anti hedonism and anti sensationalism which attributes to stoicism not being some kind of self help bullshit but a wake up call for pulling your shit together and mental fortitude which is extremely manly because men are natural sources of strength and stability.

In theory
In reality, this is just being human in general.
Women often have to work long hours and still go home to make dinner for the kids

Also, "anti hedonism" is often used to morally harass/guilt trip men for having any form of recreation.

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that we both are and are not
responsible for the creation of our own
Heavens and Hells.
In the same way, a Paradise,
a perpetual series of lives
with very little suffering, could,
in the reality of our basic animal realm,
(without anything extra-natural)
occur.
However, if the inhabitants
actions do not match
the Heavenly state of life,
but rather cause suffering to others—
their perpetual Heaven will deteriorate
by their very own hand.
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Because it is possible to be born,
and because there are so many births,
nothingness is unlikely to follow death,
but rather a potentially perpetual series of lives.
Because of this potentially perpetual series of lives,
the peace of blissful nothingness is unlikely
to follow death, but, rather, more life.
If the peace of non-existence does not follow death,
but more life, then we can only be certain to have peace
in life, in a given incarnation.
Although not true in a pure sense without alternative,
there is a sense in which,
within these many incarnations,
each life will only be composed of present moments.
In this sense, if we fail to take peace in the present
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Jacobs Ladder
Mathematics
Jacob’s Ladder:
Probability of Human Birth /
Buddhist Proverb of the Turtle
There is a classic Buddhist proverb which says that the likelihood of being incarnated in a human birth is
the same as the likelihood of a Turtle sticking its head out of the water and coming up through a log with
a hole in it. Using our equation and working backwards,
Earth’s Oceans have 333.42 million km squared surface area. If a log with half meter hole is on that
surface the probability of coming up in that section is 1/6,668,400,000,000,000
Human population is over 8 billion, meaning for this estimate to be accurate there would need to be
6.6684^11 non human beings for every human or 5.33472^20 non human beings (either total or on Earth
depending on what the proverb refers to).
Estimates for bacteria alone are around 5x10^30 to 13x10^35. Estimates for the number of species on
Earth are between 8.7^6 and 10^12. If the species which have very few and the ones which have a very
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Blue Pill

You know what is the real blue pill male sexuality? Still believing (early childhood circumstances made it seem like that's the obvious conclusion to make, because of how impactful these experiences... these females - were compared to most or just about anything else you may have likely encountered)... still believing that a physical human woman is your connection to the mysterious feminine. Not just your connection to it, but the extent to which it goes. Both of those are highly erroneous assumptions, ESPECIALLY the latter. But it makes for a very special kind of relation towards the sexual romantic interest.. extremely pure. extremely naive, but extremely pure. And the illusion could be maintained for a while. If the girl at least was someone like Zero Two. But of course she isn't gonna be.
Nor should she be. No heart worth it's salt should be submissive to that extent towards anyone. And they are hearts, just like we - even if on average 10x more boring, 10x less true (to their own core(zon)).

It's fine to play the game of "I'll propagate the electric field while you propagate the magnetic field" for a while with someone, but ultimately the only reason we interact with anyone - is because they resonate, their core resonates with ours. The only love is the love of and for - a brother. In my country we even have a saying: "Tikra meilė tik tarp vyrų"...

We sometimes have the illusion that just because a totem is speaking of heights we only encounter in our dreams - there must be then inside the one possessing or wielding that totem - an equal amount of something of the same substance that the totem itself represents. But this isn't necessarily the case (universally NOT the case on this planet). It's not something given out freely or without an actual hero's journey to everyone... A toddler isn't born with what makes a man a monument, an inspiration.
She's only wearing it, for right now, your INSANE dedication and desire to sell your soul is to what the totem represents, not the being who was given the totem to wear and even probably then convinced themselves it was afforded to them out of their own merit... "Oh yeah, I affect men this way because **I** am this awesome - obviously"...

And then folks wonder why niggers like them underage in this cracked and broken down fucking society lol

>>16474
The problem is, men have no self value. They throw it away for women too much.
Are you familiar with LeftyPol? Those guys are auto-misandrists or borderline misogynists, all because they think their pyshcosedual hangup about relationships is true.

>We sometimes have the illusion that just because a totem is speaking of heights we only encounter in our dreams - there must be then inside the one possessing or wielding that totem - an equal amount of something of the same substance that the totem itself represents. But this isn't necessarily the case (universally NOT the case on this planet). It's not something given out freely or without an actual hero's journey to everyone... A toddler isn't born with what makes a man a monument, an inspiration.
She's only wearing it, for right now, your INSANE dedication and desire to sell your soul is to what the totem represents, not the being who was given the totem to wear and even probably then convinced themselves it was afforded to them out of their own merit... "Oh yeah, I affect men this way because **I** am this awesome - obviously"...

And then folks wonder why niggers like them underage in this cracked and broken down fucking society lol

The real problem is that people think age numbers are automatically incremental virtue points.

We have more failed adults than mature stable ones.
Yet, people will believe that brain development is what makes one mature rather than any actual training


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>>16262
Your play reminds me of "the Entertainment" by James O. Incandenza. Quite avant-garde. No rush at all, we have all the time in the world, but just wanted to say there are those still awaiting the third act and or beyond.

I used to re-member my own voice back in the day. Literally while it was happening.

Anyhow, what is your equation good for? Why is it relevant, at least for you personally?

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>>16409
Bro what is this jargle? The limit of delta-t as it approaches 0 on 1? What is big gamma? What is delta? Pic related is literally you.

This is because modern society is consumer centric and the modern philosophy of individualism exists to justify our economy based off mass rpdpuction and consumerism. The idea of idnvidiuality and finding yourself is mostly linked to finding what you like to consume, developing a personal brand, etc.

Modern adults are somewhat infantilized. There is no expectation of responsibility, but IMO what many miss is that responsibility is what makes you feel satisfied in adulthood.

So basically because of our economic structure, people are incentivized to stay in a perpetual adolescence.


If you want a clearer explanation im basing my opinion off of century of the self by Adam Curtis and liquid modernity by Zygmunt Bauman.

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>>14985
>>14985
>adolescence is artificial
This is completely accurate, your instincts are right. Adolescence was invented in the 20th century to keep kids in school longer.
https://archive.org/details/TheParadoxOfExtendedChildhood-JohnTaylorGatto


Our modern society is literally structured around large corporations supported by swathes of borderline slave workers.

IMO without this education system we would follow our is tints more and learn the actual necessary skills of survival in the school of life. We wou have decentralized support networks where as we are currently at the opposite extreme of atomized individuals reliant on corporations for employment or government financial support. Humans naturally learn what is necessary to survive and naturally have creativity and ingenuity, but these kinds of independent people are not good consumers nor are they obedient workers.

We are all captive to this system and thus more or less children to the state, our new Mom.

>>16391
There have been a lot of works that talk about it, but it's not talked about a lot.
People would rather talk about "muh woke" or "muh red pill".
Also:
>There is no expectation of responsibility, but IMO what many miss is that responsibility is what makes you feel satisfied in adulthood.

Wrong. Responsibility is expected.
But, the definition of responsibility is almost always reduced to procreation.

People think that child-rearing is the only form of responsibility. And they cannot even do that properly.



>>16393
Adolescence was created in the eighteenth century. But it was universalised by the twentieth century.
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Free will isnt really free.
We only have control over choices.
Not over nature.

Free will as some transcdent force over nature is Protestant idealism.

I caused you as much as you caused me as much as anything cause anything else. Better way to think of it is connection. Everything is connected.

If you aren't proposing that reality is a chain and not a tree, a multi-dimensional one at that, that's one way to look at it, but it's not the most accurate way.

As for the question of free will. We do have free will, we also have many levels. All of those levels have free will. The levels down the line may appear to have less Free Will than the more fundamental levels, but all of those levels are still you, all of these choices are still made by you. The ego level is along for the ride that your soul chose for this life. A theme would be more appropriate to say. Perhaps with some significant connections predetermined, however all of that is free for the ego to decide in terms of how it is going to be experienced. You came here for some reasons, you cannot really change those reasons except add new ones, but what you came here for - you will explore. Unless you kill yourself, but then you'll be like "shucks, I wasn't finished" and probably do the same thing in another form.

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You were close, but still very far.

Git gud

I like the beginning. It's a very meaningful sentence, but tldr bro. I'll parse it with AI perhaps later, but you should know better than to write this much without making a clear point either. I mean, you could have made your clear point and then proceeded to explain it all, but that's not what you did. You started right from the get-go - off the deep end. Fuck you OP.

You give them the option by giving them birth.
By not giving them birth you take that option away from them.
If you don't want to live, nigger, you don't have to.

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>Anti-natalism is fucking retarded
Yes
>but also has a poin
No. And you are a crypto Anti-natalist

>a, how can you birth a child without any way of discussing with them about
There is no them. A child is not a real person until the age of 25. They start having real thoughts at the age of 12 and develop from there.

> any way of discussing with them
There is no them before they are born.
The child is a product, a creation I make with my upbringing and my sperm before that.

It is like you walking on me building a car and asking did I talk with the car before it was born. The statement is absolute nonsense.

> but how can you
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The cave way

>>15621
Nothing needs to occur a number of times, because everything is occurring.

Also you yourself talk about the fabric of the universe and yet propose to interpretations of the before mentioned set up. There's only one interpretation which is that everything is connected. If it wasn't, how do you explain the fact that everything is made from the same fabric?

Anyway, I really don't get why you guys are even talking about all of this. Like I understand if you're trying to understand better what you yourself are thinking, but I really don't get the discussion. Like what the fucking point. This board seems to be full of faggots and retards anyway.

If you wanted to talk philosophy, you should have come to psy on 420chan at least a decade ago. On top of that you would have had a laugh. This board on the other hand sounds like a bunch of pretentious 18-year-old seniors. I know my post is low quality, but I'm just saying. WTF are you guys even doing this unless you are new to philosophy and don't know any better than to interact with dimwits like the rest of the folk here because most of these ideas you are just exploring for the first time. Which is fine, no shame in that, but if that's not the case, if you actually have your own opinions about those things, why the fuck would you try to talk with anyone here about it. It will be either someone who already gets it, so why tell them, or it will be someone who's so far away from it that there's no point even trying to tell them about it.

The whole thing is stupid. And the more fundamental you go, the more the language breaks down, you're lucky if your own definitions don't bleed into each other, trying to transcribe this into written language then to supposedly tell someone else. Again the only point I see in it is to clarify your own thoughts by writing them, but that assumes you still need that kind of clarification.

Tldr retard ranting

>>15985
>If you wanted to talk philosophy, you should have come to psy on 420chan at least a decade ago. On top of that you would have had a laugh. This board on the other hand sounds like a bunch of pretentious 18-year-old seniors. I know my post is low quality, but I'm just saying. WTF are you guys even doing this unless you are new to philosophy and don't know any better than to interact with dimwits like the rest of the folk here because most of these ideas you are just exploring for the first time. Which is fine, no shame in that, but if that's not the case, if you actually have your own opinions about those things, why the fuck would you try to talk with anyone here about it. It will be either someone who already gets it, so why tell them, or it will be someone who's so far away from it that there's no point even trying to tell them about it.


It's always the pseudointellectuals who think everyone else is a pretentious child. Please for the love of God don't shit up 7chan.
You already have 4chan and LeftyPol for that