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what is woes, just tryna find my way lucee most sane user 23/09/23(Sat)06:01 No. 15343 ID: fb0e48
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does anyone have anything based on more esoteric philosophy, any ideas or concepts that seem more strange and interesting and over the edge I wanna hear em. I've tried researching on this and it seems as I want to get back into philosophy I can't find much on material on this as its more logical based for my taste. Also just got a kindle so any recommendations for the best classics you believe that can probably be found in pdf free online would be appreciated.


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Anonymous 24/01/16(Tue)02:05 No. 15370 ID: 9e89af
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Anonymous 24/08/01(Thu)15:44 No. 15562 ID: fd6509

I guess Heraclitus can be categorized as esoteric (his writing style certainly is). The best translation of his surviving fragments is 'Heraclitus - Translation and Analysis' by Dennis Sweet


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Anonymous 24/09/01(Sun)00:25 No. 15617 ID: ffb737

dont know about how obscure this is, but consider the idea that the true nature of time is that the universe runs like a moving image at a film theatre.

At first, it appears that there is one image that moves, starting at the opening title and ending at the final credits.
This is just as we percieve the universe (including everything within it, such as ourselves) as being a single entity that changes state from past to future.

but in truth, when you get a special backstage peek at the projection room that the movie was being produced from, you see instead that it was many separate images, none of which moved at all, the fluidity of the changes you saw onscreen was an illusion.
Similarly to our universe, it is not one entity that changes state, but many entities fixed in a single state, with each instance being different from the one immediately preceeding it.

the theory is that this is how time truly works, its called eternalism and the model of time is called the block universe, within it is the hypothetical idea of instantism which proposes that everything exists only for this instant.

for how it applies to you personally i reccommend reading about the boltzman brain thought experiment, though in this case its being conjectured that you are a completely different entity at any given momment, constantly being replaced at every interval progressing on the planck scale of time.

additonally, while this idea might at first seem to suggest a fatalistic view of the future and close off any possibility of going back in time, there is the simple matter of further proposing that there are other reels of film beside our own, indeed, that every timeline of universes which could exist within the limitations of our natural constants, does exist, and thus we could travel back in time without paradox due to going back to the past causing us to be seen ceasing to appear in one film reel and being introduced from nowhere in another.
as it pertains to the future being fated, theres the fact that we lack knowledge on what the future ahead of us will be, and the logical certainty that knowing about the future would necessarily prevent that exact future from playing out (since the knowledge constitutes a new variable in the equation that will invariably alter the forseen outcome in some way, away from the future that was prophesied).


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Anonymous 24/09/01(Sun)00:36 No. 15618 ID: ffb737

>>15617
sorry, im running low on juice and needed to complete my thought.

in addition, going into the future is ceasing to exist in one frame and spontaneously appearing in a universe a couple of frames down the line.

the multiverse can be further expanded by proposing other theatres like our own but with different natural constants governing the universes within their film reels, which would be sufficient to establish the omniverse of the ultimate ensemble of possible realities.

so yeah, nothing ever changes when looking down on time from an outside perspective, and you are constantly being replaced by something slightly different, along with the entire rest of the universe which is constantly experiencing the same thing.

everything is fated, but at the same time not, everything that doesnt exist does, everything that didnt happen did, seeing the future (assuming its the one that will happen if you hadnt seen the future) would necessarily prevent it from occurring.


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Anonymous 24/09/01(Sun)11:55 No. 15619 ID: fa0951

>>15617
If the universe is many entities fixed in a single state, how does consciousness/memory "transfer" for one person between images?


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Anonymous 24/09/01(Sun)23:19 No. 15621 ID: ffb737

>>15619
what is consciousness? if it is the awareness of the rest of the minds contents, including memories of things like thoughts, emotions, sensations, and recieved sense data, then it is not carried over at all, it is instantaneous just as everything else is. your memories of being your previous selves are what creates the illusion of a continuous stream of consciousness, which is only but a small part of the illusion of fluid time (a singular universe that changes state, rather than an infinite set of universes that remain fixed in one state without ever moving or changing in any way). you can interpret this in one of two ways, either you arent special compared to anything else in the universe, or you are one with the universe you inhabit, and this is true of every version of yourself through this timeline and all others in which a variant of yourself is present.

the fabric of reality is like this because it allows for travel backwards in time, and i like to think that reality accounts for everything, for if it did not, that would be a great existential threat, as under the infinite vastness of space and time even the most improbable event becomes a certainty to occur, and to do so an infinite number of times.


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Anonymous 24/09/19(Thu)10:05 No. 15660 ID: a30731

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