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Atheism Spectrum Disorder Anonymous 24/04/20(Sat)17:24 No. 15387
15387

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364254/
>Religious believers intuitively conceptualize deities as intentional agents with mental states who anticipate and respond to human beliefs, desires and concerns. It follows that mentalizing deficits, associated with the autistic spectrum and also commonly found in men more than in women, may undermine this intuitive support and reduce belief in a personal God.
>...it is possible that the autism spectrum is associated with interest in math, science, and engineering (IMSE), which in turn reduces religious belief.

If autistic people lack the ability to understand other people's feelings and desires, then obviously there can be no moral imperative for them to care about anyone other than themselves. If your life is based on numerical values in a graph, calculations using formulas and looking at the world through a mechanistic lense then you become sociopathic.
I've never met an autistic person that wasn't socially awkward and giving off creepy serial killer vibes.


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Anonymous 24/04/20(Sat)20:30 No. 15388

Makes sense to me.


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Anonymous 24/04/23(Tue)13:14 No. 15389

Being autistic means you can't see the forest for the trees.


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Anonymous 24/04/26(Fri)16:25 No. 15390

>>15389
I always get the feeling that autists are disconnected from everything that's innately human. It's like talking to a machine sometimes. A machine that only lives on stimulus from its surroundings.


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Anonymous 24/04/29(Mon)10:44 No. 15392

>>15390
There is a piece missing in their minds so obviously their behaviour is defective by nature. You can't blame them for it but you also don't have to care about them or take their wellbeing into consideration. I rarely see autistic people that treat others with dignity or have a basic understanding of compassion because it's all just repetitive rituals to them that make it easier for them to blend in.


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Anonymous 24/04/30(Tue)14:45 No. 15393
15393

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>>15392
https://emergentdivergence.com/2022/05/11/double-empathy-solipsism-and-neurotypicality/
>I believe that to understand neuronormativity, we must first understand Solipsism. Solipsism is the belief that only the self and its experiences exist. A solipsist would believe that their experiences are the only experiences, essentially reducing others and their experiences to sub-human automations.
>In my opinion, while neurotypicals have been using ideas such as theory of mind to accuse Autistics of lacking the ability to know another’s mind, neurotypicals have been so unaware of the existence of neurodivergent experience that they will inflict pain on us to “help” us conform to their standards.

You can tell that autism is a huge problem for society. The majority of autistic people have alexithymia which means they’re unable to know what feelings are and that makes them mentally unstable. If an individual with these kinds of issues gain political or monetary power it will always be disastrous. Think of it as involuntary psychopathy.


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Anonymous 24/05/01(Wed)19:44 No. 15394

Gotta love the "understanding" on here.


I hate the glorification of autism but this whole pathologising autists as sociopaths is ironically projective.

Fuck all of you.
I bet you all have a level of autism and you dont even know it.


Also religion amd science arent mutually exclusive in pursuits


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Anonymous 24/05/02(Thu)12:41 No. 15396

>>15395
Autistic people can hold grudges over nothing. The danger of not being able to comprehend normal daily interactions is that you get angry and vindictive over absolutely ridiculous comments or banal conversations.


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Anonymous 24/05/02(Thu)15:25 No. 15397

>>15396
They grind their teeth all the way down to the pulp because of some random woman asking about directions in the street and she just happened to put emphasis on one syllable which made the entire sentence a sarcastic, verbal assault against their pride and self-esteem.


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Anonymous 24/05/09(Thu)16:15 No. 15400

I think the autistic people ypure referring to are the more "social" ones.

Theres autists that dont have any sense of ego or worldly desire.


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Anonymous 24/05/09(Thu)16:18 No. 15401
15401

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Anonymous 24/05/17(Fri)08:31 No. 15402

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6047840/
>Paraphilic Disorder in a Male Patient with Autism Spectrum Disorder
>This case details the history of an 18-year-old Caucasian male, with a past psychiatric history of ASD
>These fantasies included being aroused by "anthropomorphic animal characters" and were self-described as "furry". He had a self-reported history of having a violent sexual fantasy in which he "had sex with a girl and then cut off her head."

Autistic people seem to be extremely deranged to the point of being a danger to themselves and everyone else.


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Anonymous 24/05/17(Fri)14:06 No. 15403

>>15402
Not surprising that an atheist would indulge in any kind of depravity so long as it "feels good".


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Anonymous 24/05/21(Tue)10:19 No. 15405

>>15403
Irony is thats also alot of theists.


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Anonymous 24/05/21(Tue)10:21 No. 15406

>>15398
And neurotypical people arent?


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Anonymous 24/05/21(Tue)10:22 No. 15407

>>15404
Autism was thought of as schizoohrenai until recently.

Bit the brain patterns are differemt.
Schizophreb
nia is more "consistent".


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Anonymous 24/05/21(Tue)10:25 No. 15408

>>15402
Such thibgs are also common in non autostic people.
But its more fun to blame autists because mocking Down Syndrome is not cool anymore.


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Anonymous 24/05/21(Tue)15:46 No. 15411

>>15410
The worst part is that he can’t grasp how detached from reality he is.


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Anonymous 24/05/24(Fri)11:58 No. 15415

Autists are probably the most devious people there is. Their whole outlook on life is so warped that they treat everything as a game.


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Anonymous 24/05/24(Fri)16:28 No. 15416

>>15415
The evil manchild syndrome.


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Anonymous 24/05/25(Sat)01:05 No. 15418

>>15415
>>15416
I think you guys suffer from projection.
Alot of armchair philsophers tend to suffer from this.


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Anonymous 24/05/25(Sat)16:04 No. 15419
15419

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>>15416
You are right in a sense that autistic people are like evil manchildren because autistic people are innately immature way past their childhood age, but when you say evil I think you mean that they are indifferent to everyone around them. A small child can pick up a kitten and play with it roughly, causing its death and then have no remorse whatsoever when the kitten died because children are naturally self-absorbed and have not really developed a sense of empathy or understanding of the world around them. Autistic people suffer from mindblindness and so their way of thinking revolves around their own needs and desires.

Evil manchild is a good description, though.


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Anonymous 24/05/27(Mon)08:49 No. 15421

>>15419
I will never understand why autists get a free pass.


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Anonymous 24/05/27(Mon)10:06 No. 15422

>>15421
Infantilization. They take advantage of this and use their mental defect as a shield. If you call them what they are (autists) they get offended and suddenly want you to treat them differently.
I've seen this first-hand and it's the most sneaky rat behaviour ever.


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Anonymous 24/05/27(Mon)18:00 No. 15423

Is this the thread where we roleplay as neurotypical as if any neurotypical person would ever visit this site?


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Anonymous 24/05/28(Tue)18:57 No. 15426

>>15419
im not sure about that.
Small children may not have developed advanced empathy but to say they dont feel remorse?


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Anonymous 24/05/28(Tue)19:24 No. 15429

>>15419
irony is the way you describe children is how children were treted by adults in historic times.

They were seen as nothing more than test subjects for whatever creed they were born into.


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Anonymous 24/05/30(Thu)10:32 No. 15431

>>15430
Anyone that has spent time around small children knows they cannot control their impulses and that makes them dangerous. Indirect harm is always a risk because they couldn't care less about everyone else.


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Anonymous 24/05/30(Thu)16:23 No. 15432

>>15430
Do you remember that 6 year old who killed his teacher last year? A good example of what happens when you let children do as they please. As far as I know the child in question never showed any remorse when they asked him why and he had no signs of mental illness or odd behaviour.


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Anonymous 24/05/31(Fri)08:53 No. 15434

>>15431
Fun fact: you cannot accurately diagnose children with psychopathy because, what you call antisocial or psychopathic behaviour in adults is normal among children.


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Anonymous 24/05/31(Fri)13:56 No. 15435

>>15422
Call him pathetic, a manchild, crazy snd it runs off him like water off a duck's back. But call him autistic and you'll be amazed how hurt he is, how he recoils in shock, gasping "I've been found out!"


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Anonymous 24/05/31(Fri)15:48 No. 15446

>>15434
Children can be extremely ruthless so just think about what an adult evil sperg can do.


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Anonymous 24/06/03(Mon)09:03 No. 15447

>>15435
Most autists are really obnoxious and that's mostly because they're so egotistical that it devolves into a parody of the Truman show.


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Anonymous 24/06/03(Mon)15:38 No. 15448

>>15446
Jason Beckman was autistic and he killed his father. Angry manchild revolt against his parents in the most aggressive way.


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Anonymous 24/06/04(Tue)19:00 No. 15450

>>15434
>>15432
>>15446
I think you all misunderstand what psychopathy is.

No, chikdren arent normalised to psychopathy.
Just because they havent developed greater moral awareness dosnt make them psychopathic.

Also surprisingly, alot of things we condemn kids for are more common in adults.


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Anonymous 24/06/05(Wed)07:09 No. 15451

>>15450
Children are psychopathic but it's not malign. You can't diagnose them because their development depends on going through an overtly self-centered period in life and then shed that behaviour.


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Anonymous 24/06/05(Wed)08:32 No. 15452

>>15451
It's kind of scary when you think about it. What you call innocence in children is actually a totally uninhibited form of egotism where you do as you please without any consequential thinking. A human being that lack restraints.


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Anonymous 24/06/07(Fri)10:34 No. 15453

>>15432
He only shot his teacher, he didn't kill her. However it still proves that children can murder with intent albeit less malicious like an adult.


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Anonymous 24/06/07(Fri)13:55 No. 15454

>>15452
Ignorance is bliss they say, even if it means you can't comprehend your own actions.

>>15453
The thing about the whole situation is that it was planned. He took time and effort to find his mother's weapon and bring it to school to cause harm so it was all premeditated. That's not a crime of passion, that's calculated volition.


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Anonymous 24/06/07(Fri)15:50 No. 15455

>>15454
>it was planned

Exactly. A child trying to kill someone isn't based on some vengeful behaviour that is rooted deep in their mind but because of childish reasons. It's immature.


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Anonymous 24/06/10(Mon)09:32 No. 15456

>>15455
Children can't really rationalize murder in the same way adults do either. If someone calls them stupid or ugly then they just retaliate in the most primitive way possible, just like in a schoolyard fight. Children use violence all the time. They hit each other from a young age if something is displeasing to them (a brother or sister stole a toy or didn't obey their commands) but it's not malevolent. It's simply empathetic detachment and they lack everything that make it possible for humans to coexist with one another.

It's psychopathic but it's necessary.


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Anonymous 24/06/11(Tue)13:02 No. 15460

>>15458
That's why they are so dangerous.


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Anonymous 24/06/11(Tue)15:11 No. 15461

>>15460
Mentally unstable manchildren with zero understanding of the world around them? What could go wrong! Nothing whatsoever, lol.


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Anonymous 24/06/12(Wed)12:52 No. 15462

>>15461
Scary and sad at the same time.


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Anonymous 24/06/12(Wed)14:19 No. 15463

Most children do not murder people; it's not normal for a child to kill a person or even an animal.


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Anonymous 24/06/12(Wed)14:24 No. 15464

>>15463
The point is that they can if they're allowed to. Normality has nothing to do with it.


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Anonymous 24/06/13(Thu)13:02 No. 15465

>>15464
Carl Newton Mahan is another example.


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Anonymous 24/06/13(Thu)15:05 No. 15466

>>15465
Children usually settle disputes with violence and it only becomes deadly if they have access to weapons since they lack brute strength.


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Anonymous 24/06/14(Fri)10:37 No. 15467

>>15465
Mahan is a tragic case. He kills a boy, sits and laughs during the trial because he is not able to comprehend the seriousness of the whole ordeal and committed suicide later as an adult. It’s like children that get molested when they’re young. They grow up and slowly develop heavy mental issues.


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Anonymous 24/06/14(Fri)15:31 No. 15468

>>15466
The only language they understand.


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Anonymous 24/06/15(Sat)04:41 No. 15469

>>15452
Are you sure about that,? All this sounds like moral projection.

>>15456
Then how do you consider adults using physical punishment on kids for non-physical offenses, like speaking out of turn?

>>15455
And you think the bast majority of petty crim by adults isn't the same?

>>15454
Ignorance is not bliss. That's a patronizing sentiment use by bitter disgruntled adults who don't like basic responsibility.


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Anonymous 24/06/15(Sat)04:49 No. 15470

>>15456
Have you seen the way adults handle conflicts when they have no personal luxury or rights?

Adults overestimate age numbers (especially the own) as a moral compass.

Men especially are guilty of abusing their seniority to overrule basic decency.

>>15468
Only because we patronize children as pets.


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Anonymous 24/06/17(Mon)09:03 No. 15471

>>15467
Murder is a game to them and understandably so. Another extension of the self-absorbed mind.


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Anonymous 24/06/17(Mon)10:36 No. 15472

>>15471
All is fun and games so long as they are not affected.


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Anonymous 24/06/17(Mon)14:10 No. 15473

>>15472
Tit for tat is the golden rule among children and it has no real threshold.


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Anonymous 24/06/18(Tue)13:38 No. 15476

>>15475
I've met plenty of autistic people that have no awareness when it comes to what is proportional or what is harmless. They sperg out hard and always have this sense of entitlement and think the world should let them do whatever they like.


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Anonymous 24/06/18(Tue)14:28 No. 15477

>>15476
They obsess over all the irrelevant minutiae in their lives so of course they think they matter more than others.


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Anonymous 24/06/19(Wed)08:04 No. 15478

>>15473
>>15471
This all sounds like misopedia.
All these pathologist aren't limited to prepubescence.
Look at how adults handle their affairs.


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Anonymous 24/06/19(Wed)09:18 No. 15479

>>15477
That is their biggest issue: pointless details that make no difference.


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Anonymous 24/06/19(Wed)15:14 No. 15480

>>15479
It's useless to engage in a conversation with them. They can't express an opinion without writing a 9 page essay on a trivial situation. It's like communicating with a human compiler that see everything as a long sequence of code that has to be deciphered.


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Anonymous 24/06/20(Thu)12:58 No. 15482

>>15481
Their whole existence is to systematize everything.


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Anonymous 24/06/22(Sat)18:11 No. 15483
15483

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>>15481
Insufferable and delusional.


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Anonymous 24/06/24(Mon)08:05 No. 15484

>>15483
Wow. How annoying.


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Anonymous 24/06/24(Mon)09:21 No. 15485

>>15484
The biggest reason why autistic people do more damage than good. They think they're more special than they actually are. They're "special", not special.


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Anonymous 24/06/24(Mon)15:19 No. 15486

>>15485
Yet their own thoughts only orbit the miniscule and petty.


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Anonymous 24/06/25(Tue)13:55 No. 15490

>>15487
Not only are they self-absorbed but also cruel.


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Anonymous 24/06/25(Tue)15:08 No. 15491

>>15490
Cruelty is natural for them.


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Anonymous 24/06/26(Wed)08:29 No. 15494

Atheism is something suited for pedantic people and when you are autistic there is no room for heuristic gaps.


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Anonymous 24/06/26(Wed)12:37 No. 15495

>>15494
To me autism is a brutal form of mental gymnastics. The mind becomes a prison full of "nuances" that you can't ignore.


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Anonymous 24/06/26(Wed)15:46 No. 15498

>>15495
Perpetual overthinking.


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Anonymous 24/06/28(Fri)08:13 No. 15505

>>15498
Contemplating something so ordinary and dull that you assign extreme value to it.


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Anonymous 24/06/28(Fri)11:02 No. 15506

>>15505
Trapped in an imaginary world.


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Anonymous 24/07/01(Mon)08:14 No. 15516

>>15506
Hypothetical thinking multiplied by a billion which amounts to nothing.


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Anonymous 24/07/01(Mon)13:49 No. 15518

>>15516
Living in a fantasy world so that it becomes detrimental to everything else you do.


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Anonymous 24/07/02(Tue)13:09 No. 15522

>>15521
No compromises due to high need of control and constant safe space.


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Anonymous 24/07/02(Tue)14:31 No. 15524

>>15522
Unshakeable conformity that has to be in line with your own desires.


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Anonymous 24/07/03(Wed)15:38 No. 15528

>>15524
Autism without medication always ends in failure.


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Anonymous 24/07/04(Thu)14:11 No. 15529

>>15528
It's like they can't function properly at all.


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Anonymous 24/07/18(Thu)04:30 No. 15552

the way yall are talking sounds ironically like autism.


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Anonymous 24/07/27(Sat)21:55 No. 15560

>If autistic people lack the ability to understand other people's feelings and desires, then obviously there can be no moral imperative for them to care about anyone other than themselves.
Autists don't lack the ability to understand others feelings, they have a harder time doing so than non-autists. Psycopaths on the other hand lack the ability to understand other peoples feelings, and usually lack yhe moral imperatives you speculated about. You also seem to confuse sociopathy with psychopathy


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Anonymous 24/08/05(Mon)09:27 No. 15574

>>15560
Autists have alexithymia so no. You're wrong. If you can't identify feelings then it's pretty much as if you lack them.


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Anonymous 24/08/05(Mon)14:12 No. 15575

>>15574
Also there tends to be a flattening of emotions among autists. They become desensitized.


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Anonymous 24/08/07(Wed)11:37 No. 15576

Autists are face blind so it becomes harder for them to understand emotions.


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Anonymous 24/08/08(Thu)08:53 No. 15577

>>15576
The don't even know how to smile like a normal person.


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Anonymous 24/08/08(Thu)10:24 No. 15578

>>15577
They look like they are constipated.


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Anonymous 24/08/09(Fri)09:00 No. 15579

>>15578
It is impossible for them to adequately connect a facial expression with a certain emotion. They're like shitty animatronic dolls that have exaggerated smiles and raised eyebrows.


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Anonymous 24/08/10(Sat)11:51 No. 15580

>>15574
Only around 50% of autists have alexithymia. Furthermore, not being able to identify one's emotions is not at all the same as not having emotions at all. Lastly, as I said earlier, autists do understand other's emotions, even if they might have a harder time doing so than the average population. It' astounding how you lack the ability to formulate a valid argument, considering we're on a philosophy board.

(Source for my claims: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-with-autism-can-read-emotions-feel-empathy1/)


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Anonymous 24/08/10(Sat)11:51 No. 15581

>>15574
Only around 50% of autists have alexithymia. Furthermore, not being able to identify one's emotions is not at all the same as not having emotions at all. Lastly, as I said earlier, autists do understand other's emotions, even if they might have a harder time doing so than the average population. It' astounding how you lack the ability to formulate a valid argument, considering we're on a philosophy board.

(Source for my claims: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-with-autism-can-read-emotions-feel-empathy1/)


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Anonymous 24/08/12(Mon)13:45 No. 15582

>>15579
That's what happens when you have no real emotions.


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Anonymous 24/08/13(Tue)13:09 No. 15584

>>15582
It's like they try to act emotions instead of feeling them.


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Anonymous 24/08/15(Thu)09:56 No. 15589

>>15584
I think that the reason that autists are so socially awkward is because they're so alienated from themselves. They can't handle their own inner self and are unable to understand anything that has to do with the human condition.


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Anonymous 24/08/16(Fri)08:53 No. 15591

>>15388
Same here. Science is the pacifier they need.


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Anonymous 24/08/17(Sat)22:36 No. 15592

>>15591
you say that like science is some sort of impersonal toy


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Anonymous 24/08/19(Mon)09:22 No. 15596
15596

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>>15592
Science is the only anchor that autists rely on. It's their crutch.

https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/_/sciences-under-discussed-problem-with-confirmation-bias
>Research scientists are under pressure to get published in the most prominent journals possible, and their chances increase considerably if they find positive (thus “impactful”) results. For journals, the appeal is clear, writes Philip Ball for Nautilus: they’ll make a bigger splash if they discover some new truth, rather than if they simply refuted old findings. The reality is that science rarely produces data so appealing.
> The quest for publication has led some scientists to manipulate data, analysis, and even their original hypotheses. In 2014, John Ioannidis, a Stanford professor conducting researching on research (or ‘meta-research’), found that across the scientific field, “many new proposed associations and/or effects are false or grossly exaggerated.” Ioannidis, who estimates that 85 percent of research resources are wasted, claims that the frequency of positive results well exceeds how often one should expect to find them

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39054778
>Science is facing a "reproducibility crisis" where more than two-thirds of researchers have tried and failed to reproduce another scientist's experiments, research suggests.
>"It's worrying because replication is supposed to be a hallmark of scientific integrity,"


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Anonymous 24/08/20(Tue)15:56 No. 15598

>>15597
lol this


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Anonymous 24/08/20(Tue)16:25 No. 15599

>>15596
Idk man.
Alot of autists rely more on Sonic and MLP than actual science.

Most people, neurodivergent and neurotypical, look down on science as impersonal


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Anonymous 24/08/21(Wed)09:59 No. 15600

>>15596
Alan Turing is a good example.


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Anonymous 24/08/22(Thu)13:43 No. 15603

>>15601
The first incel.


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Anonymous 24/08/23(Fri)08:18 No. 15606

>>15599
Autists can only grasp the world through the lens of science.


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Anonymous 24/08/23(Fri)15:25 No. 15607

>>15603
A psychopathic materialist.


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Anonymous 24/08/26(Mon)14:32 No. 15612

>>15606
It wouldn't surprise me if the majority of mathematicians and physicists are autistic.


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Anonymous 24/08/30(Fri)08:38 No. 15614

>>15612
You need to have some kind of spectrum disorder if you enjoy looking at zeros and ones on a computer screen all day.


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Anonymous 24/09/03(Tue)06:23 No. 15626

>>15614
You should e glad to have tech devices you can spout your opinions on


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Anonymous 24/09/06(Fri)15:23 No. 15636

>>15628
Without real experiences.


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Anonymous 24/09/11(Wed)15:29 No. 15645

Autistic people are scary to me. They seem inhuman.


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Anonymous 24/09/12(Thu)12:38 No. 15648

>>15636
They have no inner depth.


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Anonymous 24/09/12(Thu)13:37 No. 15649
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>>15648
They are dead inside.


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Anonymous 24/09/12(Thu)13:39 No. 15650

>>15649
Exactly. A mechanized human.


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Anonymous 24/09/12(Thu)15:51 No. 15651

>>15650
A quite sterile approach to living.


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Anonymous 24/09/13(Fri)16:08 No. 15653

>>15648
That's right. It's all shallow.


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Anonymous 24/09/16(Mon)13:52 No. 15655

>>15651
No genuine happiness. Only parroting.


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Anonymous 24/09/18(Wed)12:26 No. 15656

>>15653
That's because they can't relate to other humans other than superficially.


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Anonymous 24/09/19(Thu)09:51 No. 15658

That's always been the case their like ego incarnate a creature that does what it wants with no need to care for much else


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Anonymous 24/09/20(Fri)16:06 No. 15661

>>15658
Like a cartoon villain.


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Anonymous 24/09/23(Mon)08:08 No. 15668

>>15657
You rarely see autistic philanthropists.


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Anonymous 24/09/24(Tue)16:33 No. 15672

>>15668
Because they're all bitter.


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Anonymous 24/09/26(Thu)13:19 No. 15675

>>15661
More like a childish mental patient.


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Anonymous 24/09/26(Thu)15:10 No. 15676

>>15672
Dead inside is a good description.


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Anonymous 24/09/27(Fri)08:49 No. 15677

>>15676
Ravaged by nihilism.


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Anonymous 24/09/27(Fri)16:08 No. 15678

>>15677
They're Max Stirner on steroids.


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Anonymous 24/09/30(Mon)09:28 No. 15682

>>15675
lmao you're 100% right


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Anonymous 24/10/02(Wed)12:28 No. 15685

>>15678
That says a lot since Max Stirner is the greatest fedora overlord.


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Anonymous 24/10/03(Thu)12:57 No. 15688

>>15682
Agreed.


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Anonymous 24/10/04(Fri)08:19 No. 15689

>>15687
I bet 99.99% of libertarians are autistic.


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Anonymous 24/10/04(Fri)15:22 No. 15690

>>15689
I'd say 100%.


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Anonymous 24/10/05(Sat)06:08 No. 15691

>>15677
idk i think cartoon villian is more accurate.


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Anonymous 24/10/05(Sat)06:10 No. 15692

>>15606
Thats not such a bad thing.


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Anonymous 24/10/07(Mon)14:18 No. 15693

>>15691
Totally unaware of their surroundings to the point of ignoring basic human understanding.


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Anonymous 24/10/11(Fri)13:42 No. 15696

>>15693
That's unfortunately how they all behave.


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Anonymous 24/10/11(Fri)16:26 No. 15697

>>15695
The scientific method isn't flawless so it becomes obvious that relying on it is stupid.


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Anonymous 24/10/13(Sun)21:44 No. 15698

>>15697
>>15695
idk. Autism isnt logical nor consistent.
i think you just dontlike the idea that "scientism" doesmt appeal to personal sentimentality.

>>15697
I love how people only point out the limitations of scientific method when it comes to disagreeing to general scientific evidence


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Anonymous 24/10/14(Mon)14:20 No. 15699

>>15698
The scientific method is developed by humans, flawed beings with biases. What is "scientific" is more or less a skewed definition that depends on who is asking the question.


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Anonymous 24/10/14(Mon)14:23 No. 15700

>>15699

>The scientific method is developed by humans, flawed beings with biases

Which is what peer review is for. What the fuck are you talking about?


>>
Anonymous 24/10/14(Mon)15:11 No. 15701

>>15700
Peer review = a large group of people say something is true because they have the same opinion.


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Anonymous 24/10/15(Tue)11:25 No. 15703

>>15701

Peer review is a large number of people that can replicate experimental findings and imperial evidence.

>>15702

Ignoring the fact that what you've just linked isn't the same as what you've commented on it: even a layman can set up an experimental apparatus and demonstrate gravitational attraction.


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Anonymous 24/10/15(Tue)12:57 No. 15705

>>15701
Exactly. Another poster in this thread already mentioned the replication crisis so peer review is nothing more than agreement based on opinion.

>>15703
>demonstrate gravitational attraction.

Are you autistic? That's not the same as the force itself. Everyone can drop an object to the ground and see that it falls (every human since time immemorial has seen it happen). Obviously this phenomenon is real but the force called gravity isn't. Electricity and magnetism are tangible and measurable but gravity is not.


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Anonymous 24/10/15(Tue)15:14 No. 15706

>>15696
Talking to autists is like talking to aliens.


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Anonymous 24/10/16(Wed)10:16 No. 15707

>>15706
I don't think they can grasp regular existence quite good enough.


>>
Anonymous 24/10/17(Thu)12:57 No. 15710

>>15705
Peer review is just another way of saying that if the majority doesn't support it then it's "objectively" wrong.


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Anonymous 24/10/17(Thu)22:23 No. 15711

>>15705
>"Are you autistic"?
>"Electricity and magnrtism are tangible"
>"Gravity is not tangible"

The hypocrisy of imageboard users especially when criticising others as autistic/schizo/sheeple/etc while shiving opinions with no consistency is never-ending.

>>15710
This is the same kind of logic that autists have that you criticise them for.


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Anonymous 24/10/18(Fri)10:11 No. 15712

>>15711
>no consistency

He’s right though. You can only prove that gravity exists by measuring when an object falls to the ground and not gravity itself. This elusive force is purely theoretical and not physically tangible.


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Anonymous 24/10/18(Fri)15:43 No. 15713

>>15707
Too much misinterpretation.


>>
Anonymous 24/10/19(Sat)19:40 No. 15714

>>15712
The same could be said for electromagnetism.
Or brain development.
Or race.


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Anonymous 24/10/20(Sun)01:26 No. 15715
15715

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>>15712
https://www.newscientist.com/definition/gravity/
>Gravity is just geometry
>the quantum particle that transmits gravity
>remains stubbornly hypothetical

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4894313/
>Preference for Geometric Patterns Early in Life as a Risk Factor for Autism
>Overall, toddlers with an ASD as young as 14 months spent significantly more time fixating on dynamic geometric images than other diagnostic groups. If a toddler spent more than 69% of his or her time fixating on geometric patterns, then the positive predictive value for accurately classifying that toddler as having an ASD was 100%.

You can prove that gravity exists, without physical evidence, as long as you have extreme levels of autism.


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Anonymous 24/10/21(Mon)08:09 No. 15716

>>15713
Must be terrible to lack any semblance of normal interaction.


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Anonymous 24/10/21(Mon)14:01 No. 15717

>>15715
lol


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Anonymous 24/10/22(Tue)18:41 No. 15719

The way this whole thread is pathologising autists for not appealing to "neurological" sentiments, to the point of conjuring up clinical diagnosis for them sounds a lot of like.....
Wait for it ......AUTISM


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Anonymous 24/10/23(Wed)10:27 No. 15720

>>15717
Autistic triangles and squares.


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Anonymous 24/10/24(Thu)03:16 No. 15721

>>15387
I actually think it's the opposite. People who only care about others insofar as they can put themselves in the shoes of the victim are halfway close to being sociopaths. You should care about others, not because you could be them, but because they simply matter.
Sympathy =/= empathy.


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Anonymous 24/10/24(Thu)14:03 No. 15724

>>15723
Kant's principle of morality ("Act so that the basis of your action may be valid for all men") is what most people can agree on is justified. If you deviate from this and proclaim your right to "freedom" then you clearly don't care about others.


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Anonymous 24/10/24(Thu)14:56 No. 15725

>>15718
I have noticed that too. Very unhealthy approach to living.


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Anonymous 24/10/25(Fri)15:58 No. 15729

>>15725
A spaz will always be a spaz.


>>
Anonymous 24/10/30(Wed)14:14 No. 15733

>>15729
A life full of pointless chores and meaningless existence.


>>
Anonymous 24/10/31(Thu)20:31 No. 15735

>>15734
>>15734
No way, there is always the hunt for larger Mersenne primes.


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Anonymous 24/11/01(Fri)14:32 No. 15736
15736

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>>15735
Here's a fun way to find primes: append a digit to the front or back of existing ones. The smallest prime that can't be turned into another prime by appending digits to either end is 773.


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Anonymous 24/11/01(Fri)16:02 No. 15737
15737

File 173047332488.gif - (585.64KB , 480x360 , autism intensifies.gif )

>>15735
>>15736
Wow.


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Anonymous 24/11/02(Sat)05:07 No. 15738

>>15721
This. People are only able to care about others if they're psychologically similar to them.


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Anonymous 24/11/02(Sat)05:10 No. 15740

>>15723
The fact that you're getting upset at the other anon for suggesting that sympathy isn't the same as empathy goes to show that they're right

Youre acting just like those wokescolds


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Anonymous 24/11/02(Sat)16:16 No. 15741

>>15732
The biggest problem for autists is that they desire their "freedom" and will do anything to keep it. They don't want to reciprocate behaviour that goes against their own lifestyle. It becomes quite clear that the autists like to appeal to the very vague notion of all-encompassing tolerance for the sake of appearing kindhearted. What this actual means is that you accept all kinds of behaviours and every kind of twisted and disgusting rationale behind them without demanding some kind of effort to prove their worth in the eyes of others. This is the very core of egotistical behaviour: "I have no reason to show why I'm allowed to have a share of society's collective wealth because I just think I'm above it all and shouldn't have to prove it". It's essentially nihilism. Nothing has value, nothing matters and everything should be permitted for the sake of it.


Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words, but that's something the autists can't understand.


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Anonymous 24/11/04(Mon)09:09 No. 15743

>>15737
The face you make when some neurotypical says 0.999999999999999999 = 1.


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Anonymous 24/11/04(Mon)10:52 No. 15744

>>15743
Supreme autism.


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Anonymous 24/11/04(Mon)15:26 No. 15745

>>15744
Hours upon hours looking at zeros and ones.


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Anonymous 24/11/05(Tue)15:02 No. 15747

>>15741
99.99% of them will never do anything for someone else out of kindness because they simply haven’t got the mental framework for it. They only receive but never give.


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Anonymous 24/11/07(Thu)13:21 No. 15751

>>15746
When your life is all about following numbers.


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Anonymous 24/11/08(Fri)08:58 No. 15753

>>15750
Sounds like mental health issues.


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Anonymous 24/11/11(Mon)13:27 No. 15756

>>15753
Obviously. Autists have this peculiar tendency of interpreting everything as an insult if it isn't outright praise of something.


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Anonymous 24/11/12(Tue)14:50 No. 15759

>>15751
If it doesn't follow a specific pattern then the autists is unable to grasp it.


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Anonymous 24/11/13(Wed)15:21 No. 15761

>>15759
Literal binary machines draped in flesh.


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Anonymous 24/11/14(Thu)12:25 No. 15763

>>15761
They trust the science no matter what.


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Anonymous 24/11/15(Fri)08:16 No. 15764

>>15758
They're mentally unstable so it isn't surprising that you have to walk on eggshells when they're around.


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Anonymous 24/11/20(Wed)10:29 No. 15766

>>15764
Snowflake syndrome.


>>
Anonymous 24/11/21(Thu)15:11 No. 15768

>>15765
”Scientific” spergs.


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Anonymous 24/11/25(Mon)10:11 No. 15774

>>15766
It causes a disturbance in their moderation of the self.


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Anonymous 24/11/26(Tue)14:46 No. 15775

>>15768
Autistic approaches in everything.


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Anonymous 24/11/28(Thu)14:52 No. 15781

>>15774
I think they can’t actual grasp what they are.


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Anonymous 24/11/29(Fri)15:52 No. 15783

>>15780
That’s all they have.


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Anonymous 24/12/02(Mon)08:09 No. 15784

>>15781
Being human is completely the opposite of what they experience.


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Anonymous 24/12/02(Mon)14:01 No. 15785

>>15783
No wonder they have no understanding of others.


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Anonymous 24/12/02(Mon)15:33 No. 15786

>>15784
Extreme aversion towards others.


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Anonymous 24/12/03(Tue)15:23 No. 15787

>>15785
It is always their perspective and nothing else.


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Anonymous 24/12/05(Thu)12:40 No. 15791

>>15787
So narrow it becomes a burden.


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Anonymous 24/12/06(Fri)08:50 No. 15793

>>15790
Don't forget their exaggerated sensitivity.


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Anonymous 24/12/09(Mon)09:32 No. 15798

>>15791
If you are unable to interpret information properly then everything will be hostile.


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Anonymous 24/12/10(Tue)15:33 No. 15799

>>15793
I think that's their biggest defect.


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Anonymous 24/12/11(Wed)08:48 No. 15800

>>15798
I've noticed that they easily get offended by the slightest comment. It's like they're made of glass.


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Anonymous 24/12/12(Thu)14:31 No. 15802

>>15799
What’s worse is when they forget their medication.


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Anonymous 24/12/16(Mon)08:24 No. 15807

>>15802
They think they don't need it but they do.


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Anonymous 24/12/16(Mon)14:10 No. 15810

>>15800
Fragility is a word that doesn't describe them accurately because they go beyond that.


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Anonymous 24/12/19(Thu)11:32 No. 15815

>>15807
I've encountered several autists that think marijuana is a good herbal medicine. Absolutely retarded.


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Anonymous 24/12/19(Thu)13:28 No. 15816

>>15815
If you consider the fact that there is comorbidity among autists (schizophrenia) and that new research shows that cannabis can trigger schizophrenia then it's not really a good choice to smoke blunts all day long.


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Anonymous 24/12/20(Fri)16:10 No. 15817

>>15816
I've seen this too often. Some sperg tries to cure himself with bongs and joints but in the end he becomes more and more deranged because he never stops smoking. Sadly chronic behaviour.


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Anonymous 24/12/23(Mon)08:25 No. 15819

>>15810
Indeed, and it only gets worse with time.


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Anonymous 24/12/23(Mon)10:45 No. 15820

>>15817
Autistic males on weed = Info Wars audience.


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Anonymous 24/12/23(Mon)14:08 No. 15821

Watch this

https://youtu.be/9FmmpY1wdSo


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Anonymous 24/12/27(Fri)13:59 No. 15826

>>15820
Pretty much this. All the spergs love Alex Jones.


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Anonymous 24/12/27(Fri)15:42 No. 15828

>>15819
The curse of the autistic mind.


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Anonymous 24/12/27(Fri)16:07 No. 15829

>>15816

It's not so bad anon, you just ignore the whispers and keep your secret mask on, and nobody knows.


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Anonymous 24/12/30(Mon)07:05 No. 15851

>>15815
>>15820
Anti-weed propaganda and typical strawmanning Meanwhile, alcohol is the most abused drug and often leads to violence and belligerence.
Also, irony is, most Info Wars fans are often neurotypical boomers who look down on weed.


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Anonymous 24/12/30(Mon)07:08 No. 15852

>>15816
>>15817
Alcohol does far more damage.
Why is there no pathological concern over alcohol like there is for weed?

Alot of anti-weed folk are often rationalisers for alcohol


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Anonymous 24/12/30(Mon)13:46 No. 15854

>>15826
The way Alex Jones spergs out all the time is pretty much autistic temper tantrums.


>>
Anonymous 24/12/30(Mon)15:02 No. 15855

>>15828
Inevitably the burden no one wants.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/03(Fri)08:41 No. 15861

>>15854
And some ADHD.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/03(Fri)15:14 No. 15862

>>15861
Alex Jones needs a lot of Ritalin.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/07(Tue)13:14 No. 15863

>>15860
He's too high to understand what you're writing.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/07(Tue)15:43 No. 15865

>>15862
I feel sorry for his children. They will become fucked in the head.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/08(Wed)09:40 No. 15869

>>15863
Probably believes in aliens.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/10(Fri)09:48 No. 15871

>>15869
The pyramids were spacecrafts.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/10(Fri)16:11 No. 15872

>>15865
They will become schizophrenic.


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Anonymous 25/01/13(Mon)13:31 No. 15878

>>15855
If we could eliminate all the autists then the world would be much more peaceful.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/14(Tue)12:54 No. 15881

>>15872
They already are.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/14(Tue)15:21 No. 15882

>>15878
All the overthinking would vanish in an instant.


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Anonymous 25/01/15(Wed)04:13 No. 15883

>>15750
Most Christians don't believe in a higher power. They only believe in God as a concept. Or rather, God is a psychosomatic effect.


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Anonymous 25/01/15(Wed)08:11 No. 15884

>>15880
His thoughts are all over the place.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/15(Wed)15:38 No. 15886

>>15882
Just ponder how much more silent and calm everything would be.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/15(Wed)15:38 No. 15887

>>15881
Their dad scarred them for life.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/16(Thu)10:27 No. 15889

>>15884
Autistic people without medication is annoying.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/16(Thu)13:53 No. 15890

>>15886
All the cerebral anguish that autists feel is highly unnecessary and only makes it worse for everyone else.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/17(Fri)10:07 No. 15894

>>15887
Just like Elon Musk.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/17(Fri)16:09 No. 15895

>>15888
Mister Literal strikes again.


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Anonymous 25/01/21(Tue)15:24 No. 15898

>>15890
A suicidal existence that only gets worse with time.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/23(Thu)13:09 No. 15904

>>15895
You mean mister schizo, lol.


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Anonymous 25/01/24(Fri)09:02 No. 15907

>>15897
They act on urges.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/24(Fri)13:01 No. 15908

>>15898
Drug abuse is quite common.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/24(Fri)16:16 No. 15909

>>15902
The perpetual overthinker.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/27(Mon)08:32 No. 15912

>>15904
It's kind of scary to think that most autists might actually be schizophrenics.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/27(Mon)14:06 No. 15913

>>15907
Animal children, you could say.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/28(Tue)14:42 No. 15916

>>15908
They medicate themselves in hope of attaining sanity.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/29(Wed)13:40 No. 15918

>>15909
Everything is misinterpreted.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/29(Wed)15:39 No. 15919

>>15912
Probably more than half of them.


>>
Anonymous 25/01/30(Thu)12:21 No. 15923

>>15913
Driven purely by impressions.


>>
Anonymous 25/02/03(Mon)09:38 No. 15925

>>15916
Wouldn't surprise me if most homeless junkies are actually autistic.


>>
Anonymous 25/02/04(Tue)15:43 No. 15927

>>15918
Spergs without the ability to understand context.


>>
Anonymous 25/02/05(Wed)09:58 No. 15928

>>15919
I wonder why so many autistic people abuse drugs. Probably because they can't focus.


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Anonymous 25/02/05(Wed)10:37 No. 15929

>>15928
i think the reason why most autistic people use drugs is because they can have a hard time regulation emotions and finding meaningful relationships with people which can make them use drugs as a way to cope or to fit in with others around them


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Anonymous 25/02/05(Wed)14:37 No. 15930

>>15923
Their way of interpreting regular speech seems not to be only literal but also as assaults against them. A lot of autistic people appear to be inherently paranoid without having a cause for concern.


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Anonymous 25/02/06(Thu)11:28 No. 15931

>>15925
Autism is a mental illness and it's quite common nowadays. I wonder what percentage of homeless people have avoided being diagnosed at a young age.


>>
Anonymous 25/02/06(Thu)13:42 No. 15932

>>15927
Must be rough when they visit imageboards.


>>
Anonymous 25/02/07(Fri)09:36 No. 15934

>>15929
Mostly it's them being uncomfortable with themselves and not their surroundings.


>>
Anonymous 25/02/07(Fri)12:20 No. 15935

>>15934
it's probably a lot of both


>>
Anonymous 25/02/07(Fri)15:55 No. 15936

>>15930
It's as if they need to hide something.


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Anonymous 25/02/10(Mon)10:47 No. 15943

>>15931
99.99%.


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Anonymous 25/02/10(Mon)14:03 No. 15944

>>15932
Their discernment is crippled so I think they must be unaware about the subtleties.


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Anonymous 25/02/10(Mon)15:30 No. 15945

>>15935
Autists are a lot more prone to be gay so they have many mental issues.


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Anonymous 25/02/10(Mon)16:00 No. 15946

>>15945
autists don't conform to social norms by definition, so it would make sense that:
1. they wouldn't submit easily to societal pressure to be in heterosexual relationship
2. they would be more likely to come out to others, not recognizing the dangers from societal discrimination


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Anonymous 25/02/11(Tue)14:40 No. 15948

>>15946
https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/autistic-individuals-are-more-likely-to-be-lgbtq
>autistic males are 3.5 times more likely to identify as bisexual than non-autistic males, whereas autistic females are three times more likely to identify as homosexual than non-autistic females

Autism means that your sexuality is warped. It's almost like how autists have trouble with proper social interactions. Both your social skills and sexuality is damaged and you misinterpret everything.


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Anonymous 25/02/11(Tue)17:21 No. 15949

>>15947
that's dumb, the people with more inhibitions are less likely to "be themselves". for example, there's probably been at least one moment where you just wanted to murder or fuck someone, but your inhibitions likely stopped you. you probably didn't admit it to anyone, and if they asked if you were considering murdering/raping another person, you'd likely say no, where an autist would be a bit more likely to admit it. who's the liar here?


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Anonymous 25/02/11(Tue)17:27 No. 15950

>>15948
your social skills are less likely to be inhibited by social norms. that doesn't mean it's damaged.
"social norms" are filled with lies we tell one another, mostly to not look desperate and to signal to others that while we may have an interest in them, we have other prospects (probably a lie), so they think we're higher on the food chain than we are.


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Anonymous 25/02/12(Wed)08:46 No. 15951

>>15943
This.

>>15944
That's part of the reason why they're unable to be members of society as a whole. Like malign egotism that causes estrangement.


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Anonymous 25/02/12(Wed)13:36 No. 15952

>>15949
Autists aren't honest. Their emotions are exaggerated because they can't tell the difference between people's conduct in various situations and get aggravated for no reason. It's the exact opposite because there is so much distortion mentally in a person who lacks understanding of other's mental states.


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Anonymous 25/02/12(Wed)15:30 No. 15953

>>15950
Inhibition =/= lie. You sound like you think life is a competition and everyone is out to get you.


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)11:36 No. 15955

>>15953
>friend gets in a car accident
>ride with her to the hospital
>her family meets us there
>she needs surgery, nothing life threatening
>before surgery, she looks at me
>"anon, thanks for staying here with me, i'm sure you'd much rather be home"

would me saying something along the lines of "nah it's fine, i would rather stay here and make sure you're okay" not be a lie to make her feel better?
because to be 100% honest, hospital waiting rooms suck.
the term "white lie" itself was made for shit like this.
"you're not wrong, you're just an asshole"
"they said what everybody else was thinking"
boss asks you to do something extra and you say "no problem"? bullshit, you'd rather be doing something for yourself and still making money.
people are liars. everyone's life is full of those lies to manipulate others.


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)11:52 No. 15956

>>15955
I would tell her straight up what I think, but I would inject a little bit of humor to diffuse the situation. And other words, don't be afraid to tell it like it is, but also be cool about it. I mean, you don't have to pretend you care about people more than you do. But you can be both - transparent about it and cool enough to where they want to hang out with you regardless.

>Yeah, I actually don't care about you, but since I'm here and that fact makes both of us slightly uncomfortable, let's have some fun with it and keep it open enough so there's an possibility to change that fact, but until it is something else than what it is - let's have fun with it and let's work with it.

And if your friend is in dire straights even - fuck it, people are dying in Ukraine by the thousands every day and a pointless war, people are getting bombed more or less indiscriminately in Gaza, we have no problem just moving on with our lives in regards to those things. If you cannot say to the 22 y/o Ukrainian to his face that you don't really care about him that much or enough to be bothered about him in your day-to-day life, I think you should do some self-examination and soul searching. Do you or do you not actually care? It's all right if you don't, but if you do in one circumstance and you do not in another, somewhere within yourself you are lying to yourself and that's never a good thing.


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)11:55 No. 15958

>>15956
Tl;dr there's always a way to make fun of or make light of the things that give us anxiety, you are free to do exactly that. unless the anxiety is overwhelming or the person in front of you is literally dying, but at least online folks seem to have no trouble making fun of even dying people, so idk


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)12:06 No. 15959

>>15956
"out of sight, out of mind" is a real thing.
if the world paused for every injustice, it would never progress.
and sure, you can do that for a friend. not every friend, and they may not have the introspection and humor to take what you said and laugh about it.
again, we do this in workplaces as well all the time.
you may be an exception, but there's an expectation of respect, subordination, and hierarchy in a workplace and society that inconveniences everyone in one way or another.
you "grin and bear it", which is yet another common phrase that shows the general public lies about shit all of the time.

i don't understand how i can show you all of these extremely common phrases people use to show they put on a front (lie) in society and how you can still deny it. maybe you're autistic.


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)12:35 No. 15960

>>15954
Autists act like schizoids and their impression of reality is like that of a video game playing 10 year old.


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)13:41 No. 15961

>>>15960
The irony of this guy


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)14:04 No. 15962

>>15961
Did I hit a nerve, my spergy friend? You know it's true. That's why you sit behind you computer screen all day.


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)18:24 No. 15964

>>15960
True that. I'm shazoid too, I don't just act like it.


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)18:33 No. 15966

>>15959 I am autistic, but I never denied the claims that you said that I denied... I do see that everyone is lying, I'm just saying what I RECOMMEND the op or whoever that was - do.

The workplace stuff is very real (I FUCKING UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT), but it is easily solvable by moving into some kind of craft or something that doesn't require you to be fake to make money. There's plenty of work that you can do at your own home if you're skilled with hands and have a analytical mind. If you don't have those things, well look at girls, they walk dogs or whatever. I mean, if you wanted to, you could figure it out unless you live in absolute shithole of a country.


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)19:01 No. 15967

>>15966
>easily solvable by moving into some kind of craft or something that doesn't require you to be fake to make money
lol
lmao even


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)21:56 No. 15968
15968

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Just read this entire bread and am glad I did because I gleaned a ton of insights and noticed my personal experience corroborates most of the points made. None the less its been correctly said (in contrast to OP’s also very true and correct point) that many religions are exceedingly autistic in their writings, rituals, and practices. Its also been correctly noted that many of the young people flocking to religion and spirituality based groups today are often extremely autistic. In my experience and in my opinion there are a variety of different types of tists and spergs, it is a spectrum after all. The real spectrum of tism isnt just about how “high or low functioning” the person is but also the type of person in question.

Many of the posts in this bread are speaking about the worst type of tist/sperg who often frequents image boards and whether it be online or IRL is the most likely to make a spectacle of themselves on the basis of the types of behavior and attitudes described in this thread. But there are other types who are not as narcissistic, not as anti-social, not as lacking in emotions and empathy, and are more apt to be appreciative of others and have a desire to understand themselves, others, and life. The type of tist you guys are mostly talking about is an agoraphobic, narcissistic, intellectually ingenuine, psychologically rigid, hyper literalist, who on top of that is on the lower end of the autistic spectrum in terms of “function”.

Modernity has helped usher autism in this type of direction, by allowing all this to be encouraged and run rampant, just like how encouragement of cluster B illness’s have a strong tendency of bringing out the worst in women, ASD has a strong tendency of bringing out the worst in men. But this is entirely by design. Thats not to deny that people are willful victims though. Every tist/sperg is willingly allowing in the worst of themselves which then manifests as the all too often “evil manchild” style of autism. But that is not the absolute essence of what Autism really is in its most raw and unmolded state. At its core its really just a set of basic concepts (most of which were mentioned and explained correctly here in varying degrees) which in and of themselves are only severely problematic for the person in question and others around them when they become willingly driven to the worst of themselves. No different than ordinary folks in that regard. Both tists and neurotypicals are constantly guilty of bringing out the worst of themselves, at all ages. Both become NPCs (husks) by doing as much, and both make themselves and those around them suffer on these accounts. Many, many such cases.

Anyway just wanted to throw in my 2 cents cause this was a real top quality bread, and I genuinely enjoyed reflecting and introspecting on it after my lifetime of experiences growing up and living around the autistic and aspergian. For anyone who didn’t notice, this thread is mostly constituted of the better half of tists/spergs autistically analyzing the worst half of tists/spergs, or in other instances the worst half of themselves. Sure made for good discussion, and a few terms which I screen-capped to look up on wiki. Autism has skyrocketed since 1989 and I bet almost everyone who posted in this thread was born then or after then.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)00:04 No. 15969

>>15968
This thread is full of misinterpretation of autistic people's motivations and perspectives including you, including op. Not as egregious as some here, but you really don't get it.

But I commend you for having an interest and at least understanding more than the average person. Because the average person doesn't have a fucking clue what autism is about or what the inner world of people like us is.

But for example you know that it is extremely varied in manifestation and form. That's actually you know deserves points. Also the spectrum itself is vary wide - from mild autism to extreme extreme cases.

And you would find it surprising that those extreme extreme cases usually show you exactly how much empathy these people have. Just because it looks like they have less empathy doesn't mean they actually have less empathy. On the other hand I personally haven't known that many autists, I can only speak based on very intimate personal experience with it. We just don't bother explaining stuff to people. We would rather have them misinterpret us. So I guess I don't blame you for not understanding it very well.

Damn, the more I read of the thread the more I realize y'all are fucking retards. Anyhow, God bless. This thread has too few autists to actually be interesting.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)00:30 No. 15971

>>15969
I would greatly appreciate you correcting any specifics about my post or any other posts here that you noticed. Im autistically fascinated by autism, and have a lot of experience being around it in its multiplicity of forms.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)00:46 No. 15974

>>15971
I'm sorry man, I would entertain you in a one-on-one live conversation, but this thread is to uninteresting to me to really address anything specific unless in a very sloppy way which would only dilute everything.

But to keep it short... Well for example narcissism. I see how or why people interpret a lot of the autistic behaviors as narcissistic. However the motivations are not narcissistic and thus the behavior is not narcissistic. If you interpret it as narcissistic, it follows them that you do not understand autism. I'm not saying autists cannot be narcissists, but I am saying that at least 90% of what most would recognize as narcissism and then would conclude that artists are narcissists, 90% of that has nothing to do with narcissism. Anyway it's pretty complex thing and I'm sleepy at this point. Hopefully I threw you a bone.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)00:48 No. 15975

>>15974
I already drew this conclusion and pointed it out expressly in my own post. Note the things in my post that you said in your previous one were not entirely accurate and that you disagree with and enjoy yourself as you do it anon. Now.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)00:56 No. 15976

>>15975
Man, I'm sorry if I misinterpreted you. I'm getting a bit sleepy and to be honest I don't even understand what you're saying anymore. I guess I'm too dumb for this discussion. But my observation still stand. Most of this thread really doesn't understand autism. But I just don't really care about it. Good luck to you though man, you seem genuinely interested. Seriously God bless and good luck. I hope you'll find out what you want to find out.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)01:30 No. 15977

>>15976
On the real, same to you fren. I really wanted to milk more value out of your post because I did understand what you were saying. But somehow I smell a bit of intellectually ingenuine stink in your "too tired desu" post. I got the full value of your post, but seems now your admitting you did not get the full value of mine. Hubris is another one of the worst traits thats utterly insufferable when combined with autism and that all too often is conflated with it. You hubristically presumed you knew so much more than me and that I had drawn the wrong conclusions, but when asked to altruistically provide them for a intellectually genuine audience, you simply just yawned and walked away.

Come back after you wake up and give me a dignified response or im calling bullox on your claims that you can explain anything better than this thread if your unwilling to do it.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)07:42 No. 15979

>>15977
Yeah, I'm sorry that was bad behavior on my part. And you're correct, hubris is a big problem with us. Other things you weren't very correct about, but I guess I shouldn't have commented if I'm not willing to engage in a discussion about it.

But the thread is really too long and too boring to engage. Too much confusion, misinterpretation and too little actual insight or interesting discussion. The best that I can do right now is apologize for what I said. You'll be the judge whether or not what I said was true. It's probably wrong. Don't take me seriously.

Maybe I'll come back later to add something more constructive. But yeah, the first posters in this thread and the ones towards the end, but especially the first posters are so fucking clueless. I'm just saying.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)13:51 No. 15980
15980

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>>15979
You better come back and put that autism to good use boy. I want to know more.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)13:59 No. 15981

>>15962
Autistic people only have a surface level understanding of how human relationships work. That's why they're so "honest".


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)14:03 No. 15982

>>15952
Couldn't agree more. There is no depth to their personalities. Only unfettered reactions and impulses.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)14:13 No. 15983

>>15981
Only some autistic people are the type who are unabashedly honest. Others are the types who have no consideration for the value of such things and thus are huge liars. I have been highly familiar with both types of tists/spergs. Then there is the third kind which are so detached and confused they genuinely do not know what it means to be intellectually honest or dishonest at all.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)16:26 No. 15984

>>15982
Yes, they only have a surface level of nuance that prevents them from putting on a front like everyone else does. A front. As in, a lie. They don't understand the need to lie, to not tell someone they're a piece of shit when they are, or to not come straight out and tell a girl you want to fuck rather than pretending to be chivalrous.


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Anonymous 25/02/16(Sun)01:44 No. 15988

>>15960
Actually, irony is, adults who watch politics all day have a more detached impression of reality than a kid playing videogames.

Also irony is, all the pathologising about autism in this thread is mainly projection.


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Anonymous 25/02/16(Sun)01:51 No. 15990

>>15959
It's funny how society likes to tell the youth that "life is unfair deal with it" then tells them to "get off your asses and change the world".


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Anonymous 25/02/16(Sun)21:27 No. 15992

>>15988
witnessed. its not ironic, anyone who put the time into reading the entire thread, without catching onto this important thread in the thread is a hyper literalizing autist.


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Anonymous 25/02/17(Mon)08:44 No. 15996

>>15984
>putting on a front
>you want to fuck rather than pretending to be chivalrous.

lol, you truly are clueless about how regular human interaction works. You are paranoid and have some innate need to "expose" ordinary people. Your "honesty" is more akin to tasteless self-righteousness.
You're like a binary code in some software and totally stripped of human thought.


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Anonymous 25/02/17(Mon)14:04 No. 15997

>>15996
Severe trust issues.


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Anonymous 25/02/17(Mon)15:07 No. 15998

>>15996
naivety or denial, pick one.
nobody is altruistic, and you know it. definitely not you. you want something, and you're willing to lie that you're not or delude yourself into thinking you are.


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Anonymous 25/02/17(Mon)17:09 No. 16000

>>15983
Autists are only honest because they can't see the difference between humans. They're like machines that you do a factory reset on and think everyone is the same.


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Kit 25/02/17(Mon)18:02 No. 16001

>>16000
If you actually knew anything about autism, you would know you can't put everyone under one umbrella like that


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Anonymous 25/02/18(Tue)13:13 No. 16005

>>15998
You've been reading too many books by Richard Dawkins.


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Anonymous 25/02/18(Tue)15:04 No. 16006

>>15990
You're just lazy and indifferent to effort. A defeatist.


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Anonymous 25/02/18(Tue)18:03 No. 16007

>>16003
clarify for me how life is seen by those who are not spergian?


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Anonymous 25/02/19(Wed)11:14 No. 16009

>>16005
Sounds like a section from The Selfish Gene.


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Anonymous 25/02/19(Wed)15:16 No. 16010

>>16006
His parents gave him everything.


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Anonymous 25/02/20(Thu)14:14 No. 16016

>>16009
Fedora tipping literature.


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Anonymous 25/02/20(Thu)17:18 No. 16017

>>16014
Ok so now that you have defined what its NOT, tell me what you define as what it IS.


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Anonymous 25/02/21(Fri)09:17 No. 16019

>>16010
Spoiled child.


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Anonymous 25/02/21(Fri)15:25 No. 16020

>>16016
Euphoric due to intelligence.


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Anonymous 25/02/21(Fri)16:16 No. 16021

>>16019
>>16020
Bot replies need not applies


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Anonymous 25/02/23(Sun)21:38 No. 16051

>>16010
>>16019
typical response of sophomorphic adults who probably are knee deep in vices themselves and dont wanna make any effort.

>>16001
these people are spiteful is all. Irony is, the way they write sounds autistic


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Anonymous 25/02/24(Mon)08:08 No. 16071

>>16051
Calm down, mister trust fund. Just because you got everything handed to you doesn't mean your autism is special.


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Anonymous 25/02/24(Mon)10:38 No. 16072

>>16017
A world not suitable for playground autists.


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Anonymous 25/02/24(Mon)14:08 No. 16074

>>16021
I guess your face blindness turns people into bots, right? Everyone is the same except you.


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Anonymous 25/02/24(Mon)15:27 No. 16075

>>16071
Crippled by his parents. Sloth incarnate.


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Anonymous 25/02/25(Tue)13:47 No. 16109

>>16072
No one needs them.


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Anonymous 25/02/25(Tue)15:35 No. 16110

>>16100
Alienated due to being extremely "special".


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Anonymous 25/02/26(Wed)11:48 No. 16114

>>16074
It is very odd how autistic character traits boils down to not being able to tell the difference between people.


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Anonymous 25/02/26(Wed)14:03 No. 16115

Watch this next

https://youtu.be/i2TWzUyIjUo

Here


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Anonymous 25/02/27(Thu)12:39 No. 16124

>>16110
The blissfully ignorant retard.


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Anonymous 25/02/27(Thu)14:47 No. 16127

>>16114
Everything is about how ”unique” they are.


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Anonymous 25/02/28(Fri)15:37 No. 16132

>>16123
Nothing else is relevant besides their feelings.


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Anonymous 25/03/03(Mon)09:34 No. 16140

>>16124
Life for them is black and white.


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Anonymous 25/03/03(Mon)13:11 No. 16141

>>16127
That's why they always have some kind of preference for handicapped people.


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Anonymous 25/03/04(Tue)12:51 No. 16144

>>16132
Their feelings are barely truthful. It’s mostly confusion.


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Anonymous 25/03/04(Tue)15:02 No. 16145

>>16140
They have the perception of a preteen.


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Anonymous 25/03/04(Tue)21:39 No. 16146

>>16145
they have no ability to distinguish between preteen and teenage female models.


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Anonymous 25/03/04(Tue)21:43 No. 16147

>>16145
Wgat preteen has black and white moral logic without parental influence?

If anything I find it's adults who are more prone to that


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Anonymous 25/03/04(Tue)21:46 No. 16148

>>16071
The way you talk is what right wing trust fund kids talk like
"Tough luck pull yourself up" while living in a mansion paid for by their daddy.
Either that or failed adults who wanna project their own problems onto the next generation


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Anonymous 25/03/04(Tue)21:55 No. 16149

>>16000
The irony is, when you treat people differently, you're accused of chauvinism.


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Anonymous 25/03/05(Wed)09:51 No. 16151

>>16146
Autists seem to adore pedophilia for some reason.


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Anonymous 25/03/05(Wed)10:53 No. 16152

>>16151
It's their lack of any moral compass or ability to recognize that a fucking 14 y/o has a different brain and thought process than 19 year olds. Disgusting.


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Anonymous 25/03/05(Wed)10:54 No. 16153

>>16141
And they also associate extreme (preteen) youth with uniqueness/attractiveness


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Anonymous 25/03/05(Wed)11:23 No. 16154

>>16149
Their whole thought process is "hurr durr, I'm unique, therefore I can put 0 effort not to be an absolute ass to everyone around me"


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Anonymous 25/03/05(Wed)11:28 No. 16155

>>16154
And then they take it a step further and feel themselves worthy of any/all privileges and excuses society would grant to fully mentally retarded persons and throw evil tantrums when we don't.


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Anonymous 25/03/05(Wed)13:42 No. 16156

>>16154
Their "unique" personality has to be the centre of attention due to how important they feel their traits are and couldn't care less if someone else was in the room.


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Anonymous 25/03/05(Wed)17:24 No. 16157

>>16156
There's nothing "unique" about it, they just suck as human beings and instead of owning it and improving it, they just try and leverage it in manipulation and self-aggrandizement


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Anonymous 25/03/06(Thu)01:31 No. 16158

>>16157
Easily the worst kind of people right now on Earth.


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Anonymous 25/03/06(Thu)10:27 No. 16165

>>16162
If they have any kind of special ability, it would probably be doing what you said, but with zero remorse or self-awareness. Truly special and unique!


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Anonymous 25/03/06(Thu)12:38 No. 16166

>>16153
Their minds are warped by all kinds of paraphilias because they can't handle their feelings and sexuality.


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Anonymous 25/03/06(Thu)14:33 No. 16167

>>16166
Autistic perverts are the worst kind.


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Anonymous 25/03/06(Thu)19:11 No. 16168

AUTISTIC PEOEPLE BAD
WE ARE GOOD
/thread


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Anonymous 25/03/07(Fri)03:23 No. 16169

>>16168
You do realize the only people left posting ITT are autistic?


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Anonymous 25/03/07(Fri)10:48 No. 16170

>>16169
Speak for yourself.


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Anonymous 25/03/07(Fri)13:13 No. 16173

>>16165
They assume everyone else have the same egocentric personality like themselves.


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Anonymous 25/03/07(Fri)15:26 No. 16174

>>16167
Autists always turn out to be pedophiles, furries, scat fetishists and everything else. Natural born weirdos.


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Anonymous 25/03/07(Fri)16:29 No. 16175

>>16166
It is in there nature to sexualize the handicapped, the mentally ill and the cognitively immature, especially girls.


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Anonymous 25/03/07(Fri)16:31 No. 16176

>>16175
Some/many will literally ONLY date a girl if she has suicidal ideation and/or still lives with her parents


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Anonymous 25/03/07(Fri)23:02 No. 16177

>>16173
This is why they fail to establish even a single long lasting friendship irl and act like the bottom of the barrel degenerates online


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Anonymous 25/03/08(Sat)12:42 No. 16179

>>16174
Takes one to know one. How do you know they are all rapists (or similar)?


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Anonymous 25/03/08(Sat)16:22 No. 16180

I despise autists so much.


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Anonymous 25/03/08(Sat)16:24 No. 16181

>>16180
>autists
>auto
They're basically machines, they're not even human. Hitler did right to kill them.


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Anonymous 25/03/08(Sat)19:33 No. 16182

>>16180
They are wretched little goblins, you have full right to.


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Anonymous 25/03/08(Sat)21:27 No. 16183

>>16180
That is so interesting.
What is your least favorite part about me?


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Anonymous 25/03/09(Sun)00:46 No. 16184

>>16183
Where do I even start. I hate your guts basically. Just read this thread to get the idea or are you "too special" to do even that? Hell, read the last 15 posts alone and you'll get more than an adequate idea, you stupid entitled fuck.


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Anonymous 25/03/09(Sun)02:16 No. 16185

>>16184
What?


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Anonymous 25/03/09(Sun)09:23 No. 16186

>>16185
Sir, what are you not understanding? This whole thread is exactly what you're asking about. He's saying just read the last posts and you'll get the picture.


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Anonymous 25/03/09(Sun)10:59 No. 16187

>>16184
I asked what your least favorite thing about me is, but it appears you’re incapable of anything but blind hatred. You couldn’t even come up with a single thing yourself?


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Anonymous 25/03/09(Sun)15:51 No. 16188

>>16187
A lot of the things ITT I came up with by myself. On top of that, I don't know who you are, all I know about you is that you are autistic, well everything I said about autists in this thread is what I think. If you gave me more context then I could speak more precisely about you, but without that, I don't understand how you can reject the things already spoken as if they don't apply and demand that we somehow single you out specifically.

Well, okay this conversation at this point provides some context, so if you want to know what I hate the most about you personally, it's not just that you're autistic, but how utterly unable you are to put yourself in the position or look from the viewpoint of another person. That I think is the most despicable quality that you possess as a person that I've been able to observe so far. Yes, it is not exclusive to you, but something that is shared among autists, but you are particularly high proficiency on this particular quality. To the point that it's almost staggering. But I've dealt with enough artists in my life to know that it is definitely possible. Anyway, I don't think you have anything constructive to offer to this discussion as you have demonstrated in your first engagements already. You would only serve to derail and diminish the quality of the discussion, please leave.


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Anonymous 25/03/09(Sun)18:47 No. 16189

>>16183
Let me help the other feller out - you are narcissistic and egotistical and either unwilling or incapable of perceiving reality from the perspective of another person.

Does that make you feel special enough? And if you don't feel special among autists, then just read the rest of the thread, it's all laid out in plain English.


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Anonymous 25/03/09(Sun)23:40 No. 16190

>>16188
Have you seen Chef?


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Anonymous 25/03/09(Sun)23:41 No. 16191

>>16189
No?


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Anonymous 25/03/09(Sun)23:41 No. 16192
16192

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Anonymous 25/03/10(Mon)08:12 No. 16193

>>16179
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5789215/
>Altogether, paraphilic sexual fantasies and behaviors were reported more frequently in male patients with ASD than in male HCs. After correcting for multiple testing, significant differences were still present in the number of individuals reporting masochistic fantasies, sadistic fantasies, voyeuristic fantasies and behaviors, frotteuristic fantasies and behaviors, and pedophilic fantasies with female children

It's quite obvious that autists have deviant behaviour in terms of sexuality.


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Anonymous 25/03/10(Mon)10:42 No. 16194

>>16193
The main reason why they are not meant to have decision making authority.


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Anonymous 25/03/10(Mon)11:44 No. 16195

>>16193
False flag


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Anonymous 25/03/10(Mon)14:03 No. 16196

>>16194
I always get this uneasy feeling around them and it's probably because they exhibit those urges.


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Anonymous 25/03/10(Mon)14:43 No. 16197

>>16196
How often do you spend time around autistic people?


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Anonymous 25/03/10(Mon)17:01 No. 16198

>>16197
My brother 27m is autistic and everytime he looks at me 25f I feel like he wants to rape me


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Anonymous 25/03/10(Mon)23:17 No. 16200

>>16191
Thanks for proving my point.

Autists are basically jews but not necessarily share the same genetic lineage, just basically the same mentality and moral compass


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Anonymous 25/03/11(Tue)13:36 No. 16202

>>16201
He tries to save face.


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Anonymous 25/03/11(Tue)14:29 No. 16204

>>16202
Perverted mental gymnastics.


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Anonymous 25/03/11(Tue)15:19 No. 16205

>>16204
He's just making it more obvious that he's a pedo with that kind of response


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Anonymous 25/03/11(Tue)16:02 No. 16206

>>16205
the problem is you all thinking there's something wrong with that


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Anonymous 25/03/11(Tue)17:30 No. 16207

>>16206
Always shifting the blame on others. Typical.


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Anonymous 25/03/11(Tue)20:54 No. 16209

>>16207
If shifting blames were their job, they'd would be a millionaire by now


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Anonymous 25/03/12(Wed)02:36 No. 16212

oh, it took me this long to recognize who's the real autist here lmao


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Anonymous 25/03/12(Wed)08:06 No. 16213

>>16209
Their lack of remorse is what makes them into child molestors.


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Anonymous 25/03/12(Wed)15:27 No. 16215

>>16209
It's desperation coupled with a relentless need for acceptance.


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Anonymous 25/03/12(Wed)15:33 No. 16216

>>16209
They lack the basic understanding of human decency


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Anonymous 25/03/12(Wed)15:36 No. 16217

>>16145
This, but coupled with an almost sociopathic level of megalomania


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Anonymous 25/03/12(Wed)18:23 No. 16218

>>16215
Tbh they are just shit and always was


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Gang activity afternoons @nuclearnighterror 25/03/12(Wed)21:19 No. 16219
16219

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++16218<<
The best mental gymnasium has a sign written in a language that makes you guess.


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Anonymous 25/03/13(Thu)15:26 No. 16221

>>16217
Humans with machine software.


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Anonymous 25/03/13(Thu)16:04 No. 16222

>>16221
Yeah, you don't have to look far for evidence >>16219


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Anonymous 25/03/14(Fri)08:15 No. 16223

>>16220
It's too late for that. He's already far gone.


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Anonymous 25/03/14(Fri)12:39 No. 16224

>>16223
Autistic schizo posting frantically in every imageboard he can find.


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Anonymous 25/03/14(Fri)15:14 No. 16226

>>16224
lol, this


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Anonymous 25/03/15(Sat)21:32 No. 16228

>>16221
It is pretty clear they are mentally unwell people


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Anonymous 25/03/16(Sun)11:18 No. 16229
16229

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Anonymous 25/03/17(Mon)09:46 No. 16232

>>16226
The ostracized shut-in that think memes represent reality.


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Anonymous 25/03/17(Mon)18:51 No. 16233

>>16213
There are many who consider their condition to be - unnatural.


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Anonymous 25/03/17(Mon)21:41 No. 16234

A little correction for you all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXluzf7Dbc


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Anonymous 25/03/18(Tue)19:03 No. 16237

>>16233
Yeah, it's called being a fucking savage retard
They more or less thrive on being unwell.


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Anonymous 25/03/18(Tue)19:04 No. 16238

>>16237
And you can't really blame them either, they have nowhere to escape except their own mental prison. It's a sad fate.


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Anonymous 25/03/19(Wed)14:38 No. 16239

>>16235
And the majority of this thread.


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Anonymous 25/03/21(Fri)20:22 No. 16243

>>16239
Idk. I just know I never liked them.


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Anonymous 25/03/24(Mon)08:24 No. 16247

>>16243
That's because they are incompatible with their environment.


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Anonymous 25/03/24(Mon)10:40 No. 16248

>>16247
Defective at birth.


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Anonymous 25/03/24(Mon)13:19 No. 16249

>>16248
It's more than a defect. It pollutes everything.


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Anonymous 25/03/24(Mon)14:54 No. 16251

>>16249
Selfish poison on two legs.


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Anonymous 25/03/24(Mon)21:34 No. 16254

>>16251
They aren't good people.


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Anonymous 25/03/25(Tue)14:39 No. 16256

>>16229
The autistic man with a moustache.


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Anonymous 25/03/25(Tue)20:29 No. 16258

>>16255
This. They drag society down, however when it comes time to offer something productive - they just slack off.


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Anonymous 25/03/26(Wed)08:12 No. 16259

>>16256
Autism entails a very childish cruelty. As if you have no understanding because nothing is serious.


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Anonymous 25/03/26(Wed)13:22 No. 16260

>>16259
It is lack of development. They stagnate mentally.


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Anonymous 25/03/26(Wed)14:59 No. 16261

>>16260
The mixture of social ineptitude and sensitivity is potent.


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Anonymous 25/03/26(Wed)23:22 No. 16264

>>16260
Autism is a developmental disorder. These people never grow past roughly around 14 years of age.


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Anonymous 25/03/27(Thu)12:07 No. 16268

>>16267
So tiresome it hurts.


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Anonymous 25/03/27(Thu)12:12 No. 16269

>>16264
They are bad people.


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Anonymous 25/03/27(Thu)14:32 No. 16270

>>16268
They're lonely because no one wants to be around them.


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Anonymous 25/03/28(Fri)03:04 No. 16271

>>16269
This is because they're always on the edge. You can't trust such a person to be rational and ultimately a net positive in your life.


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Anonymous 25/03/28(Fri)08:27 No. 16272

>>16270
And they never understand why.


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Anonymous 25/03/28(Fri)08:58 No. 16273

>>16255
And they don't even care that they are.


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Anonymous 25/03/28(Fri)15:12 No. 16274

>>16272
Because of their self-absorbed way of life.


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Anonymous 25/03/28(Fri)22:14 No. 16275

>>16274
They are self-serving twerps with an unshakable devotion to pettiness.


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Anonymous 25/03/29(Sat)13:34 No. 16276

>>16275
It is a well-known fact they lack the genes coding for remorse


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Anonymous 25/03/29(Sat)13:41 No. 16277

>>16274
What do you expect from someone born with a broken moral compass..


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Anonymous 25/03/29(Sat)14:44 No. 16278

Being autistic often has an evolutionary cost. That's why consider it to be even more of a privilege.


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Anonymous 25/03/31(Mon)09:50 No. 16283

>>16279
I rate your post:
3/10 autisms


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Anonymous 25/04/01(Tue)12:49 No. 16289

>>16287
The fact that autists suffer from mental illusions is another reason why they’re unable to coexist with other people.


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Anonymous 25/04/01(Tue)17:27 No. 16291

>>16289
They have a skewed perception of reality which warps and distorts their ability to differentiate between what’s happening and what they think should be happening.


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Anonymous 25/04/03(Thu)00:12 No. 16296

>>16287
They conflate the real with the imaginary and then expect everyone else to not just do the same but do the same IN THE EXACT same way that they did.


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Anonymous 25/04/03(Thu)12:06 No. 16299

>>16296
Autism fatigue.


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Anonymous 25/04/03(Thu)14:37 No. 16300

>>16299
As soon as you talk to them it happens.


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Anonymous 25/04/03(Thu)17:45 No. 16301

>>16298
They are absolutely the worst when it comes to unbiased and fair conversation or relationship


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Anonymous 25/04/03(Thu)23:45 No. 16302

>>16300
They are good for two things - ruin a good vibe and become an annoyance in a otherwise neutral situation.


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Anonymous 25/04/04(Fri)13:07 No. 16303

>>16301
That's because they can't admit when they're wrong.


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Anonymous 25/04/04(Fri)16:11 No. 16304

>>16302
It's as if they need an instruction manual for life. Clueless.


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Anonymous 25/04/04(Fri)18:41 No. 16305

>>16304
80% of neonazi fucks you will find are on the spectrum if not more.


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Anonymous 25/04/04(Fri)19:48 No. 16306

>>16305
They are degenerates before they even find out what degeneracy is or stands for. It is as natural for them as breathing.


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Anonymous 25/04/07(Mon)11:46 No. 16310

>>16303
Compulsive need to be flawless.


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Anonymous 25/04/07(Mon)13:16 No. 16311

>>16310
Biggest issue with that is their sociopathic tendencies. They can justify anything.


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Anonymous 25/04/08(Tue)12:44 No. 16318

>>16317
They natural larpers because they can only imitate but never be sincere.


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Anonymous 25/04/09(Wed)08:08 No. 16320

>>16318
Empty shells.


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Anonymous 25/04/09(Wed)10:59 No. 16321

>>16318
Their entire agenda is to make themselves appear a certain way


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Anonymous 25/04/09(Wed)13:36 No. 16323

>>16320
Worse: empty shells without purpose.


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Anonymous 25/04/10(Thu)08:59 No. 16330

>>16323
They are good for nothing lowlifes


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Anonymous 25/04/10(Thu)09:01 No. 16332

>>16321
Their mind is a boiling cesspool of contradictory ideas.


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Anonymous 25/04/10(Thu)14:17 No. 16335

>>16331
Inevitable nihilism.


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Anonymous 25/04/11(Fri)08:30 No. 16336

>>16335
Their default state of mind.


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Anonymous 25/04/11(Fri)14:06 No. 16337

>>16336
That is actually dangerous.


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Anonymous 25/04/11(Fri)15:16 No. 16338

>>16337
Involuntary isolation.


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Anonymous 25/04/14(Mon)07:02 No. 16342

>>16336
Their state of mind is one of disease and decay.


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Anonymous 25/04/14(Mon)09:37 No. 16343

>>16338
They try so hard but never get far.


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Anonymous 25/04/14(Mon)13:15 No. 16344

>>16343
The curse of being a sperg.


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Anonymous 25/04/15(Tue)12:51 No. 16346

>>16345
The computer is his only friend.


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Anonymous 25/04/15(Tue)16:00 No. 16347

>>16346
Harsh reality.


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Anonymous 25/04/15(Tue)21:34 No. 16348

>>16346
They run computerized software in their heads


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Anonymous 25/04/16(Wed)10:05 No. 16349

>>16347
It’s what they want so sadly it’s not possible to change.

>>16348
They have certain robotesque ways of thinking which makes them incapable of legitimate bonding with other people.


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Anonymous 25/04/16(Wed)14:28 No. 16352

>>16349
Limitless deviancy without caring about anyone.


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Anonymous 25/04/16(Wed)20:32 No. 16353

>>16345
In general, they don't have a life.


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Anonymous 25/04/16(Wed)20:35 No. 16354

>>16343
If there was a competition for trying extremely hard but achieving next to nothing, the first like 10 or 100 places would all be taken by them.


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Anonymous 25/04/17(Thu)06:57 No. 16357

>>16353
Their biggest achievements and the one that they are most proud of is "oh, but I managed to keep alive for X amount of years" all the while they were basically the walking dead the entire time. They even smell the part. Worst type of human on the planet right now so far we can tell.


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Anonymous 25/04/17(Thu)06:57 No. 16358

>>16357
They are no good for being alive IMO


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Anonymous 25/04/17(Thu)15:08 No. 16363

>>16359
They think they are special but they aren't.


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Anonymous 25/04/17(Thu)20:06 No. 16365

>>16363
They are special in how empty their lives are. If we were in a Roman Colosseum and I had to decide whether gladiator to live or die, if they were autistic, I would choose them to die EVERY SINGLE TIME.


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Anonymous 25/04/22(Tue)11:26 No. 16406

>>16365
They are very aggressive in their approach towards other people.


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Anonymous 25/04/23(Wed)08:09 No. 16417

>>16406
Joyless to the core.


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Anonymous 25/04/24(Thu)01:58 No. 16421

>>16406
There's not much to like in terms of their personality.


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Anonymous 25/04/24(Thu)02:02 No. 16422

>>16417
Theirs is the kind that always preaches virtue, but then goes ahead and acts out the exact opposite.


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Anonymous 25/04/24(Thu)15:18 No. 16426

>>16422
They think they're above it all.


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Anonymous 25/04/24(Thu)17:57 No. 16427

>>16426
Rarely will you find an autistic person actually saying genuinely what they say to you privately or "as your friend".


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Anonymous 25/04/25(Fri)10:14 No. 16429

>>16427
They think they are individualists but are actually cowards.


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Anonymous 25/04/25(Fri)12:51 No. 16430

>"austists can't take the perspective of other people, incapable of seeing the world through someone else's eyes. they lack depth, only having a surface level understanding and appreciation of things"
>entire thread fails to take the perspective of an autist, resorts to superficial impressions
...huh...


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Anonymous 25/04/25(Fri)13:19 No. 16431

>>16430
They call this the 'double empathy problem'.


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Anonymous 25/04/25(Fri)16:31 No. 16432

>>16429
Ultimately a failure.

>>16430
The main issue is that autists overanalyze because they misintepret social cues but also that they seem to experience a lot things with too much intensity. It's like talking to a frail person made of glass.


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Anonymous 25/04/25(Fri)20:27 No. 16435

>>16318
This is the core issue, they themselves don't know who they are, they haven't a slightest idea. It's like an LLM trying to give itself "personality". And it ends up being disingenuous and more than that - most likely disastrous both to themselves and to the people around them. It's like a trainwreck or a ticking timebomb.

If I could give one advice to people who want to live a life of any wellness - just try to have as few of those kind of people in your life as possible. This may very well SAVE your life, not just increase it's quality.


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Anonymous 25/04/25(Fri)21:06 No. 16440

>>16435
The basic tenant of autism is not necessarily that they are incapable of empathy or compassion (even as they may struggle with it due to social incompetency, which is by the way but a side effect, not the cause), but that they are incapable of actually genuinely CARING about another in a human way. That is because they themselves are hollow. You cannot just reach out and grab something if you were born without limbs.

They are the modern ghosts in a sense. Not real people, but incapable of themselves realizing this. A psychopath is an isolated "person" - they have a sense and an idea of self. An autist is just a machine. Desperately trying to become an individual, yet ultimately grasping onto nothing more than thin air.


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Anonymous 25/04/29(Tue)13:52 No. 16442

>>16432
Must be tough being a mental alien.


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Anonymous 25/04/29(Tue)15:43 No. 16443

>>16440
Defective since birth and always distraught by their own inadequacies.


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Anonymous 25/04/30(Wed)08:30 No. 16444

>>16442
They can't really enjoy life.


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Anonymous 25/04/30(Wed)13:07 No. 16445

>>16443
Their mind is a breeding ground for parasitic ideas


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Anonymous 25/04/30(Wed)13:10 No. 16446

>>16444
Dead on the inside. I think in army they should be considered KBD - killed before deployment.


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Anonymous 25/04/30(Wed)14:15 No. 16447

>>16445
It's interesting that they are so lazy.


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Anonymous 25/05/02(Fri)09:00 No. 16449

>>16447
They think that work is not something suited for chosen people.


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Anonymous 25/05/04(Sun)21:26 No. 16450

>>16449
I think they are secretly deceptive and try to avoid work by blaming their social ineptitude.


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Anonymous 25/05/04(Sun)21:34 No. 16451
16451

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>>16440
>They are the modern ghosts in a sense. Not real people, but incapable of themselves realizing this.
Everything neuro-normalfags say is a projection or the words of other people.


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Anonymous 25/05/05(Mon)09:01 No. 16452

>>16450
Exactly. Welfare queens.


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Anonymous 25/05/05(Mon)13:23 No. 16453

>>16452
Worst part is that they slither away from every job application. They're 99% terminally online as well and can't walk away from the computer screen.


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Anonymous 25/05/05(Mon)15:19 No. 16454

>>16453
Maladjusted compulsive gamers.


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Anonymous 25/05/06(Tue)13:16 No. 16455

>>16454
Entitled parasites, unfortunately. Doomed to whine.


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Anonymous 25/05/06(Tue)15:03 No. 16456

>>16455
As if sociey owes them anything. They do not even contribute.


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Anonymous 25/05/06(Tue)16:20 No. 16457
16457

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>>16456
Bill Gates has Asperger's syndrome. Steve Jobs was almost certainly autistic.
Albert Einstein, Charles Darwin, and Nikola Tesla were all likely autistic.
Tim Burton, Dan Aykroyd, Anthony Hopkins, Daryl Hannah and Jerry Seinfeld are all confirmed autistic.
All of them individually have contributed more to society than everyone in this thread combined.


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Anonymous 25/05/06(Tue)16:46 No. 16459

>>16457
Tell me u r retarded without telling me u r retarded. An autistic guy trying to justify his shitty behavior.

I mean, okay, some of them are legit examples, but why mixing in more than half that are the worst shit kind of people that this thread was talking about all along? What is even the point that you're trying to make? That autistic people are both complete garbages and also good? Well yeah, so are Russians and Asians and Europeans and men and women, that doesn't mean that general differences do not exist. Maybe you're not autistic, but definitely a retard.


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Anonymous 25/05/06(Tue)16:58 No. 16461
16461

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>>16457
>Jerry Seinfeld
>contributing to society
Pick one.


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Anonymous 25/05/06(Tue)18:07 No. 16462

>>16459
Are you white? That means you must be Hitler. This is your logic.


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Anonymous 25/05/06(Tue)18:08 No. 16463

>>16461
completely fair assessment, the remaining stand on their own.


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Four Two One GO! Game 11: Mountain Of Faith 25/05/06(Tue)21:23 No. 16464
16464

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✰✰✰✰🔯16461
Blast from the past set to interrupt your corrupt game of dice.
Magic: [[scan]]


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Anonymous 25/05/07(Wed)03:08 No. 16465

>>16462
If you actually paid attention instead of just blaming everyone else for your problems so long as it allows you not to take responsibility, you would have noticed that in the last sentence I said "maybe". I don't know whether or not you are actually autistic. But based on your communication so far, it's starting to look increasingly likely.

Which doesn't completely delegitimize what you have said, but knowing the operating tactics of these people, I cannot just assume we are both communicating in good faith. I have to take whatever you say with a grain of salt, sir. And you have demonstrated low intelligence, which further complicates everything. Nothing against you sir, you might be a decent individual for all we know.


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Anonymous 25/05/07(Wed)04:34 No. 16466

>>16465
I made my points, and you're using weasel words to avoid addressing any of them.
There's a rule against brainless drivel in this board. You're currently breaking it.


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Anonymous 25/05/07(Wed)05:30 No. 16468

>>16466
Your points were based at best on incorrect assumptions or lack of exact examination or at worst - deliberate misinterpretation. I have addressed the best case scenario and the worst isn't even worth addressing.


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Anonymous 25/05/07(Wed)13:09 No. 16469

>>16464
Time to go outside and get some fresh air.


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Anonymous 25/05/07(Wed)15:52 No. 16470

>>16469
He's just sperging because of psychosis.


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Anonymous 25/05/08(Thu)08:47 No. 16475

>>16472
Don’t forget that you are enlightened by your intelligence.


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Anonymous 25/05/08(Thu)15:41 No. 16477

>>16475
So euphoric he bought a hat.


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Anonymous 25/05/09(Fri)08:12 No. 16480

>>16477
He lot his marbles.


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Anonymous 25/05/09(Fri)13:42 No. 16481

>>16479
Gravity is a mathematical construct.


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Anonymous 25/05/09(Fri)16:34 No. 16482

>>16480
Legitimately messed up.


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Anonymous 25/05/09(Fri)20:49 No. 16483

anyone else notice this thread is gonna be going down in interwebz history? i did.


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Anonymous 25/05/09(Fri)20:50 No. 16484

>>16479
a wild tripfag appeared!

WOW! I NEVER SEEN ONE OF THEM HERE BEFORE, QUICK GTFO


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Anonymous 25/05/09(Fri)20:51 No. 16485

>>16461
thank you for doing the needful.


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Anonymous 25/05/12(Mon)13:20 No. 16486

>>16481
The atheist's worst nightmare.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)00:05 No. 16487

>>16485
Even niggers on 7chan have gone quiet on such a magical full moon night. Reflecting on their life choices. Searching for God. Accepting what was and what will come. Even if it means being flayed alive. The grace of anonymous is undefined and boundless. One minute they're laughing, the other they can barely stand, the weight of oblivion resting upon their well exercised beautiful shoulders. They we're given keys and presented with doors and gateways. The autistic seek the shimmers in the night. Their subtlety is beyond measure. There's no one to apologize to, you are never alone. Whether in a whimper or a bang - everything is forgiven, everything is touched by grace of God. The autistic know this better, because they are choosen by God. Choosen to see what is hidden. Peer behind the veil. This fate is only for the few special ones. And only if they accept all outcomes already. Serene.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)12:57 No. 16489

>>16486
There are many phenomena they are unable to explain.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)13:35 No. 16490
16490

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>>16489
Gravity is easy to explain. Magnets aren't magical. Just because your simple brain can't grasp the concept doesn't mean it's supernatural.
You're approaching life with a 1600s frame of mind. "You can't explain it" doesn't prove nor disprove that it was intelligent design. Stop being retarded, retard.
>>16487
Schizo-posting psychobabble. You aren't Nietzsche, you're a neet who hasn't felt sunlight in a decade. Touch grass before the voices convince you to mail a manifesto to the FBI.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)14:08 No. 16491

>>16490
>easy to explain

And yet there is no tangible force, only equations done by mouthbreathers trapped in geometric autism.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)14:35 No. 16492

>>16491
A quark is not tangible, yet we know it exists.
An electron is not tangible, yet we know it exists.
"I can't see nor touch it, so it makes no sense that it's there".
Logic is as strong as a child with no sense of object permanence.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)15:39 No. 16493

>>16492
There is no quantum particle that transmits gravity. Also, quarks are believed to be real, not proven. That makes them, just like the nonexistent gravity particle, theoretical.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)16:18 No. 16494

>>16493
I love fedora mental gymnastics.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)17:09 No. 16495

>>16493
Nigger, you are not smart. Stop equating what science hasn't figured out yet with supernatural phenomena.
The graviton boson has already been described, and it's only a matter of time and scientific advancement before they're found, just like with the Higgs boson.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)17:11 No. 16496

>>16493
this dumbass really has the "rain is god crying because you masturbate" mentality.
if you believe in god and believe he controls everything, why can't you accept that maybe he created those particles himself?
why does science preclude your god?


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)18:53 No. 16498
16498

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>>16494
When you peel away all the scientific jargon and look at the hard facts then all the quarks (and the Higgs boson) are merely tiny, insignificant bursts of energy on such a scale as to make it impossible to verify their actual state of being. You take a presupposed truth, assign various arbitrary values to this mathematical construct, and say that the data confirms your prediction. It's not empirical, it's wishful thinking.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)18:54 No. 16500

>>16496
I know some autists proclaim to be following science and not mystical or religious thinking, but the truth is that they have never actually done anything for science and the only reason it may appear like they have is because they will accept any and all rationale they can find for their twisted and disgusting behavior. If it serves their narrative, they will embrace it. I don't think any have cared about actual science in their entire life. It's all a mental exercise for them to justify being a degenerate.

Tl;dr don't think for one second that autists are actually scientifically minded


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)19:15 No. 16501
16501

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>>16488
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2431927-physicists-are-grappling-with-their-own-reproducibility-crisis/
>Physics is in a crisis.
>Over the past year, a series of research papers claimed to find evidence for high-temperature superconductors – materials that conduct electricity without losses, which could revolutionise global energy use. These were retracted after all efforts to reproduce them failed, and in some cases original data was shown to have been falsified.

I think the reason why autists lose their grip on reality is because they think science has some objective, unbiased neutrality that never can be questioned or doubted.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)19:18 No. 16502

>>16498
ah yes, the things that make up all matter and the fundamental forces are "insignificant". the higgs itself was predicted 50 years before we even had the tech to find it, and they still nailed its mass to within a few percent. that's not wishful thinking, it's calling a shot from across the fucking universe and barely scraping the rim but still sinking it in the basket.
just because quantum mechanics makes your smooth brain hurt and makes you question your own shaky faith doesn't mean it's fake nor insignificant, you fucking buffoon.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)19:29 No. 16503

>>16501
Empiricism - their strongest weapon against reason.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)19:35 No. 16504

>>16501
>capitalistic pursuit of cheap energy
that isn't a crisis.
the fact that you're aware of it means the system is working, dumbass

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranga_P._Dias

this island indian lying on his papers and subsequently getting caught speaks volumes of how well the process works. you can't just lie to science and think you'll never get caught.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)20:00 No. 16505
16505

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>>16503
It's funny that the Higgs boson experiment has never been replicated independently. No bias here at all.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)20:21 No. 16506

>>16504
If you're arguing for the existence of gravity outside it's models and definitions in mathematics/geometry you are a fucking strawberry arachnologist

You'll never find it nigger. If you could, there would be a way of distinguishing between acceleration on a rocket and being pulled in a black hole. Which there isn't.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)20:39 No. 16507
16507

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>>16505
it's been independently verified, both in the ATLAS and CMS detectors. the independent teams using the independent detectors had independent hardware, different software pipelines, different teams analyzing the data, and both found the higgs in 2012, both independently confirming it.
unless you're insisting they build an additional $5-15 billion collider just to impress your dunning-kruger retardation, like "we can't trust the land speed record unless it's duplicated on multiple tracks".
if you want another collider, go find you a nice place to duplicate the world's largest machine, start a kickstartr page to build it, bribe the necessary governments to allow it, and let me know how it goes.
fucking retard.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)20:46 No. 16508

>>16507
Yeah, now do that with "higgs gravity" or whatever you wanna call it whatever, bozo..


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)21:02 No. 16509

>>16508
Sure. Find me a detector with the mass of Jupiter and 100% efficiency, place it next to a neutron star, find a way to block out the neutrinos so they're not falsely detected that isn't a shield that would literally collapse into a black hole due to the size it would need to be, wait 10 years under the most favorable conditions possible, and I'll get right on that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton#Experimental_observation
The ridiculousness of what you're asking for can't be understated. You don't know what you're talking about, and what's worse is that you're smug about your ignorance.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)21:07 No. 16510

>>16495
>Boson
Literally translates as
>Clowning

>But muh science says there's a spinning or whatever the fuck it does particles in the air so aqtevully we have all the answers, not your imaginary bearded nigger in the sky
Cope harder retard

(SIMPLE TROLLING WITHOUT SUBSTANCE, COME BACK WHEN YOU'RE NOT IN SPECIAL EDUCATION CLASSES)


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)22:57 No. 16511
16511

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>>16506
I don't think our autistic friend is eager to amend his highly dogmatic view of science as self-correcting.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6415937/
>Basic philosophical assumptions count as biases because they skew the development of hypotheses, the design of experiments, the evaluation of evidence, and the interpretation of results in specific directions.
>Philosophical biases are typically acquired from science education, professional practice or other disciplinary traditions that define a scientific paradigm. This is why scientists with varying backgrounds might adopt different philosophical biases.

Occam’s Razor, as an example of philosophical bias, shows that scientists tend to conform to a certain way of thinking. Simple answers are easy to digest and scientists always choose easy solutions. Consensus is the rule they all follow. Science isn't objective, it's portrayed as objective.


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Anonymous 25/05/13(Tue)23:12 No. 16513

>>16511
nobody claimed science is perfect. if it was perfect, it wouldn't even be needed.
it is, however, self-correcting.


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Anonymous 25/05/14(Wed)09:38 No. 16515

>>16500
I wonder why autists think that the "laws" of physics apply everywhere in the universe when there is no way to verify it. Only assumptions.


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Anonymous 25/05/14(Wed)13:35 No. 16516

>>16515
This is such a lukewarm troll.


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Anonymous 25/05/14(Wed)13:48 No. 16517

>>16516
So how do you know that light travels at the exact same speed everywhere without knowing the conditions 900 trillion miles away? Just because there is a giant void doesn't mean you have proof that it behaves like it does here.


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Anonymous 25/05/14(Wed)15:04 No. 16518

>>16513
It's not self-correcting. Discovering something, like a new metal or molecule, is just plain searching. The scientific method in itself is autistic repetition for the sake of being sure you can do autistic repetition and never deviate from a specific way of conduct.


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Anonymous 25/05/14(Wed)15:06 No. 16519

>>16511
Good post. Pretty much summarizes science in a nutshell.


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Anonymous 25/05/15(Thu)02:40 No. 16525

>>16517
solipsism bro is so proud of his reply. 2smert4me.
if the speed of light changed every time you closed your eyes, astrophysics wouldn't work at all.
but it does.
to 12 decimal points.
it's the simplest thing to test, because we know how far the sun, moon, and planets are away from us.
you're acting like someone who thinks their house interior disappears completely when they're not in it.
could all of that change tomorrow if we found out your cosmic grandpappy is messing with us? sure.
the beauty of science is that it doesn't care. it's not dogmatic. do scientists themselves feel disappointment when their theories are disproven? probably, i dunno, i'm not a scientist.
we do, know that the speed of light is extremely accurate, along with redshift measurements. if things didn't show up how we expect, science would scrap the failed theory and work to figure out why.
as far as the speed of light is concerned, it's been tested it in a vacuum, out of a vacuum, in different mediums, and even slowed to an absolute stop in a recent experiment, because they knew how fast it was going and how much they would need to hinder it to do so.
so yea bro, the whole universe is in on some cosmic conspiracy against your retarded theory.


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Anonymous 25/05/15(Thu)02:59 No. 16526

>>16511
of course scientists have biases... just like everyone else.
that's not some damning revelation, it's basic epistemology.
the difference is, science is one of the only systems that actively tries to correct for that.
it's built to survive constant skepticism, replication, and being proven wrong.
you don’t get GPS and particle accelerators from "philosophical bias", you get them because the scientific method works.

there's no dogma in science.
consensus is not dogma.
it's what happens after data aligns across independent experiments and fields.
when the evidence changes, the consensus shifts.

scientists use Occam's Razor and other rules of thumb/heuristics because those are the tools that have produced the most reliable answers so far.
if you've got something better than "test, replicate, refine," please, don't keep it to yourself.
otherwise, shut the fuck up quoting philosophy papers that you don't understand.
you're acting like science is just vibes and bias, like yea, and math is fake because it uses assumptions. retard.


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Anonymous 25/05/15(Thu)03:14 No. 16527

>>16518
>It's not self-correcting. Discovering something, like a new metal or molecule, is just plain searching. The scientific method in itself is autistic repetition for the sake of being sure you can do autistic repetition and never deviate from a specific way of conduct.

"science isn't self-correcting because it repeats stuff" is like saying double-checking your work means you're incapable of learning.
repeating tests is how you make sure you didn't just get lucky or fuck something up.

on some occasions, discovery is made just by stumbling on to something new, but without a system to test it, understand it, and explain it, it's pretty useless.
science takes you, an idiot, finding something interesting and useful but not knowing what it is and how to use it, and turns that into "here's why retard anon's discovery is useful and how we know it wasn't a fluke."

you can call the process autistic or whatever, but it's the only method that updates itself when it’s wrong.
that's how we went from being terrified of falling over the waterfall at the edge of the ocean, to quantum mechanics and space telescopes.
you retards want to drag us back to mysticism to feel like you're special, like you're not some loser living off of his parents.


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Anonymous 25/05/15(Thu)07:05 No. 16528

>>16525
>>16526
>>16527
https://arxiv.org/abs/2012.12037
>The One-Way Speed of Light and the Milne Universe

No one has measured the one-way speed of light from one point to another in the universe. You have no idea what you're talking about.


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Anonymous 25/05/15(Thu)08:18 No. 16529
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>>16528
>No one has measured the one-way speed of light from one point to another in the universe. You have no idea what you're talking about.

are you insisting that this invalidates the whole framework?
everything we observe still works perfectly using the assumption that light speed is the same both ways.

if the one-way speed was somehow different, it would break EVERY FUCKING THING THAT RELIES ON IT, from GPS to particle accelerators, to how we model galaxies, and yet, here we are, with all of that working to insane precision. fucking moron.


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Anonymous 25/05/15(Thu)08:45 No. 16531

>>16517
>q: how do you know that the laws of physics are exactly the same in another part of the universe?
>a: *autistic sperging noises*
>source: no one has measured light from point A to point B in a one-way direction
>*sperging intensifies*

lmao

(RULE #3 VIOLATION)


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Anonymous ## Admin ## 25/05/15(Thu)13:18 No. 16533

>>16530
>>16531
>Over 50 posts on 7chan
>All bait & troll replies
>All on /phi/
>All on this thread
Make your way back to Xwitter.


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Anonymous 25/05/15(Thu)14:50 No. 16536

>>16529
Someone asked you how you know about the conditions for light speed 900 trillion miles away and you got proven wrong. You just want to change the subject.


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Anonymous 25/05/15(Thu)15:15 No. 16537

>>16515
>I wonder why autists think that the "laws" of physics apply everywhere in the universe when there is no way to verify it. Only assumptions.

That's actually how it is. Physicists assume all conditions around this part of the universe applies to everywhere else. There is no proof it is true.


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Anonymous 25/05/15(Thu)16:18 No. 16538

>>16515
>>16537
scientists postulate based on previous findings, and continuously test their theories.
if their theory is disproven, they find a new theory.
if it's found later that light acts differently billions of light years away, science will change.
as it stands now, most experiments confirm the speed of light in a vacuum is accurate, enough to control satellites orbiting in very meticulous orbits.
that is proof that it's true.
you're still acting like science is dogmatic, like you're just fully retarded and have a 10 year old's understanding.


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Anonymous 25/05/16(Fri)07:03 No. 16540

>>16536
Conflating round trip speed with one-way is a sign of scientism and isn't really wise.


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Anonymous 25/05/16(Fri)08:26 No. 16541

>>16540
you're not giving an argument for your claim.


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Anonymous 25/05/16(Fri)08:28 No. 16542

>>16536
there's no reason currently to suspect otherwise.
when there is a reason to suspect otherwise, science will change.
again, not dogmatic.


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Anonymous 25/05/16(Fri)09:09 No. 16543

>>16540
He's the kind of autist that think science as a term encompass a self-evident mechanism that's rational and independent of external factors. It's trial and error and nothing more. Engineering, physics and other disciplines are made by humans, not science. It's like when you talk about natural selection. The term is meaningless. It's just when animals die. It doesn't produce anything or is some universal law found anywhere. It's laughable sophistry.


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Anonymous 25/05/19(Mon)08:24 No. 16547

>>16482
It's quite common for autistic people to enter psychosis because they see no correspondence between their experience and the world around them.


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Anonymous 25/05/19(Mon)09:10 No. 16548
16548

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>>16543
you're doing that retarded thing where you pretend basic concepts stop existing if you define them vaguely enough.
science is a process, or a toolkit, not a faith.
it's the most effective process to find out what's "real" among tangible and intangible based on evidence and circumstances.

engineering, physics, bio, yes, they're all made by humans.
that's the point.
WE built them using the scientific method because it works better than guessing, superstition, or whatever retarded take you're pushing.

calling natural selection "just when animals die" is like calling evolution "just random stuff happening."
it's reductionist screeching.
natural selection explains why some traits stick around and others don't.
it's exactly what you'd expect if biology was governed by any kind of feedback loop.

you don't have to like the terms, but calling them meaningless while you live in a world built entirely on their outcomes?
nigger, you're literally arguing on something built on it.
that's the definition of sophistry.


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Anonymous 25/05/19(Mon)09:25 No. 16549

>>16547
>because they see no correspondence between their experience and the world around them
whatever the fuck that’s supposed to mean.
this nigger read one article and filled in the rest with anime villain monologues and tumblr poetry.

there is an overlap, but it's not some mystical, magical, evil power causing it.
it's them feeling shunned by the dickheads of society like yourself, which causes anxiety, burnout, and even disassociation.
meanwhile, proud brain worm haver RFK is making announcements that they'll never write a poem, never pay taxes (woe is them), etc and it's just compounding it.
the best thing that can happen to autism is RFK getting a disease from his shit creek swim and becoming completely incapacitated.


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Anonymous 25/05/19(Mon)10:41 No. 16550

>>16543
This. It is circular logic.

>>16547
They don't trust their own judgment and lose their grip.


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Anonymous 25/05/19(Mon)13:20 No. 16551
16551

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>>16548
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01620-3
>The long-term evolution experiment (LTEE) has become a cornerstone in evolutionary biology that researchers continue to mine for insights. During their 75,000 generations of growth, the bacteria have made huge gains in their fitness — how fast they grow relative to other bacteria — and evolved some surprising traits.

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JB.00831-15
>The LTEE isolation of Cit+ mutants has become a textbook example of the power of long-term evolution to generate new species. But, based on our results, E. coli arrives at the same solution to access citrate in days versus years, as originally shown by Hall. In either case, genes involved in the process maintain their same function but show expanded expression by deregulation. Because of this, we argue that this is not speciation any more than is the case with any other regulatory mutant of E. coli.
>No new genetic information (novel gene function) evolved.

Natural selection is a catch phrase at this point. It gets regurgitated ad nauseam by terminally online Aspergers victims.


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Anonymous 25/05/19(Mon)13:38 No. 16552

>>16551
cool, so you found a paper where scientists disagreed on the classification of a mutation, and decided based solely on this isolated incident of scientists having trouble deciding on one single classification that it means the whole concept of natural selection is a meme.
i'm quite sure the scientists who wrote that paper would wholeheartedly agree with your assessment.

did i call you a retard yet? just wanna be sure.

you're quoting a paper that literally shows bacteria evolving new traits under pressure, and then crying "but it's not speciation" like that means evolution didn't happen.

what is this weird fucking cope, dude?
does your faith seriously hinge on evolution being true or not?
is your faith that shaky that you have to start lying and twisting scientific papers to suit your need?

you're not even doing it well. you just look retarded in general.

also wild that you're screaming about "no new information" when gene regulation changes are LITERALLY information.
what, does it only count for you if it takes flight, glows in the dark and plays mp3s?

natural selection gets "regurgitated" a lot because it gets PROVEN a lot. if it wasn't, you would hear about it the same way you hear about witchcraft -- during halloween and by edgy teens without a real personality.

stop quoting scientific papers you obviously don't understand, you dumb fuck.


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Anonymous 25/05/19(Mon)13:58 No. 16553

>>16551
Don't bother. He's too autistic to understand that if there is no material (new genes) created then that debunks the claim about evolution through mutations.

>>16552
I think you need to calm down and stop sperging. It says there, quite literally: no new information. You have no proof for your fedora slogans.


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Anonymous 25/05/19(Mon)14:22 No. 16554

>>16553
oh wait, i get it now. i get why you're too retarded to understand lmao.
holy elementary school drop-out.

alright, listen closely, i'll try to dumb this down for you as much as i can.

the paper states in a very scientific way that, at one time, they were considering a very specific strain of e. coli as a different species of bacteria altogether, that it evolved enough to be different.

not:
>we show why it wasn't evolved
>we show no new traits appeared

but simply:
>we don't think it changed enough to call it a new species on paper

the paper, again, very clearly states that they found the mutations (aka the evolution) of the bacteria didn't change it quite enough to consider it an entirely new species.

this very specific piece of bacteria is, therefore, the same species as the one that was considered one step back IN EVOLUTION from itself at the time, but there are still different EVOLUTIONARY species before it that it EVOLVED from, and other species of bacteria that EVOLVED from it as well.

quoting the paper:
>"Potentiation/actualization MUTATIONS (NOT X-MEN SHIT, ACTUAL EVOLUTION) occurred within as few as 12 generations, and refinement MUTATIONS (AGAIN, EVOLUTION) occurred within 100 generations."

TEXTBOOK ADAPTIVE EVOLUTION.
>genes changed expression
>bacteria gained a functional trait it didn't have before
>bacteria survived in an environment that would've previously killed it
>bacteria passed that trait down.

that's evolution, you smooth brain monkey.

SPECIATION is simply a naming line that humans draw on a map.

understand?

>hurrr but paper said no new information and--
and you and your circlejerk buddy fucking misunderstood it, you fucking retard. good job.


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Anonymous 25/05/19(Mon)14:35 No. 16555

>>16554
Nice mental gymnastics, sperglord.

https://bio.libretexts.org/Courses/Lumen_Learning/Biology_for_Non_Majors_I_(Lumen)/09%3A_DNA_Structure_and_Replication/9.04%3A_Genetic_Information
>9.4: Genetic Information
>The genetic information of an organism is stored in DNA molecules.

If you want to redefine what genetic information means then maybe you should talk to the whole scientific community and propose they change it, lmao.

>no new genetic information
>no new hereditary DNA
>no addition to an already existing code
>no 1 + 1 = 2


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Anonymous 25/05/19(Mon)16:14 No. 16556

>>16555
>posts a beginner-level biology page
>thinks he unlocked the deepest lore
>"genetic information is stored in DNA!"
yes. no shit.
nobody said it wasn't.

now, go back and read the paper (if you can) that you tried to use earlier:

quote:
>amplified citT and dctA loci followed by DNA rearrangements consistent with promoter capture events for citT
>Potentiation/actualization mutations occurred within as few as 12 generations
>Citrate utilization was confirmed... and quantified by mass spectrometry
>Cit+ mutants gained a phenotype not present in wild-type E. coli

>gene expression changed
>new functional trait appeared
>adaptation

changing how genes are used is literally the mechanism of evolution.

your OWN FUCKING SOURCE even says:
>The information stored in the DNA molecule must be translated, or expressed
and you just ignored that part.
you saw "DNA = info" and stopped reading like a goldfish hitting the glass of its fishbowl.

this is a either PBS Kids-tier misunderstanding stapled coupled with extreme smug arrogance and retardation, or just trolling and shitposting in general.
either way, you're citing papers and articles and shit from people who fully believe evolution is real and base their studies on it.


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Anonymous 25/05/19(Mon)18:00 No. 16557

>>16556
If no new genetic information is created then you have, by default, reached a dead end in your evolutionary trajectory. Your autistic interpretation of what constitutes evolution has zero weight behind it. You can't go from unicellular to multicellular if you can't generate new genetic information.

https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/scientists-discover-organism-that-hasnt-evolved-in-more-than-2-billion-years
>Scientists discover organism that hasn’t evolved in more than 2 billion years

Just stop posting.


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Anonymous 25/05/19(Mon)19:49 No. 16558
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>>16557
the article you posted that you obviously didn't read says the following:

>Research actually provides further support for Darwin, UCLA professor says

the environment that the organism lives in hasn't changed in 2 billion years.
all they require is sulfate and nitrate to live.
there is no reason for it to evolve to its environment, because its environment
hasn't
fucking
changed.

why would the bacteria need to evolve, dumbass?
to what end?


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Anonymous 25/05/19(Mon)20:32 No. 16560

>>16557

>“The rule of biology is not to evolve unless the physical or biological environment changes, which is consistent with Darwin,” said Schopf, who also is director of UCLA’s Center for the Study of Evolution and the Origin of Life. The environment in which these microorganisms live has remained essentially unchanged for 3 billion years, he said.

>“These microorganisms are well-adapted to their simple, very stable physical and biological environment,” he said. “If they were in an environment that did not change but they nevertheless evolved, that would have shown that our understanding of Darwinian evolution was seriously flawed.”

And this article disproves evolution?


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Anonymous 25/05/19(Mon)21:14 No. 16561

>>16558
You do realize that mutations occur regardless if the environment changes or not, right? There are different mutations like somatic and germ-line. Somatic mutation arises once in every million cell divisions, and so hundreds of millions of somatic mutations must arise in each person. Many somatic mutations have no obvious effect on the phenotype of the organism, because the function of the mutant cell, even the cell itself, is replaced by that of normal cells. However, cells with a somatic mutation that stimulates cell division can increase in number and spread. This type of mutation can give rise to cells with a selective advantage and is the basis for all cancers. But germ-line mutation can be passed to future generations, producing individual organisms that carry the mutation in all their somatic and germ-line cells. When we speak of mutations in multi-cellular organisms we’re usually talking about germ-line mutations. In single-cell organisms there is no distinction between germ-line and somatic mutations, because cell division results in new individuals.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459274/
>Spontaneous mutations occur at a rate of 1 in 10^5 to 10^8

Typical mutation rates for bacterial genes range from about 1 to 100 mutations per 10 000 000 000 cells.


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Anonymous 25/05/19(Mon)22:55 No. 16564
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>>16561
>posts article saying organism hasn't evolved in 2 billion years
>article literally says it's because the environment hasn't changed
>"erm ackshually mutations still happen"

no shit, retard.
mutations happen all the time.
without selection pressure, they don't stick and general revert (or attempt to revert) back.
no pressure = no adaptation = no evolution.

and now you're just spamming AI-generated biology trivia because you can't admit you misunderstood your own source.

try reading next time instead of prompting ChatGPT for backup, faggot.


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Anonymous 25/05/19(Mon)23:01 No. 16565

>>16564
So if a unicellular organism is unable to generate new genetic information this proves evolution is real? I guess ignorance is bliss.


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Anonymous 25/05/20(Tue)01:01 No. 16567

>>16565
>So if a unicellular organism is unable to generate new genetic information this proves evolution is real? I guess ignorance is bliss.
>checkmate atheist

no, dumbass, the point is it had no reason to evolve so it didn't.
the theory of evolution is about adaptation to an environment.
if adaptation isn't achieved yet (and the species doesn't die out), mutations happen.
gene duplications, insertions, deletions, all the shit in the evolutionary toolbox happen until adaptation is achieved
when it's achieved, if the environment doesn't change, further adaptation (evolution) is no longer necessary.

IF THE ENVIRONMENT DOES NOT CHANGE, EVOLUTION DOES NOT *NEED* TO HAPPEN, THEREFORE IT DOES NOT HAPPEN.
not because it can't
not because evolution isn't real
but because it's already exactly what it needs to be to optimally survive in its environment.

you're mistaking stability for some kind of failure.

you've been repeating this "no new info" line it's going to suddenly sprout a new meaning, and i'm going to be like "ohhh damn, you know what? you're right" because you're too retarded to understand the very child-like way i'm explaining this to you.


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Anonymous 25/05/20(Tue)01:14 No. 16568

>>16567

Anon appears to misunderstand evolution, seeing it as a process working toward an ultimate goal or perfection. In reality, evolution has no end goal... it's simply the result of organisms adapting to their environments through natural selection.


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Anonymous 25/05/20(Tue)05:18 No. 16569

>>16567
Mutations occur even if the environment doesn't change which you cannot refute (and they still do not conjure new genetic information). Also, "adaptation" depends on survival. How do you objectively measure it? How is fitness quantified? There are no objective scenarios in nature that can be shown to work as catalysts. You have no arguments.


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Anonymous 25/05/20(Tue)07:07 No. 16570

>>16569
Natural selection is synonymous with survival of the fittest. It just means that the fittest individuals (defined as the ones that leave the most offspring) will leave most offspring.
It's a tautology that is spouted by lowbrow mouthbreathers as if it contains profound philosophical insight into a mechanism innate in nature.


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Anonymous 25/05/20(Tue)10:00 No. 16571

>>16568
you're literally saying what i already mentioned, you dumb fuck.
congratulations on finally catching up, now just tweak this retarded sentence a bit:
>In reality, evolution has no end goal... it's simply the result of organisms adapting to their environments through natural selection.

hmmm let me think...
if evolution is the result of organisms adapting to their environments...
and "adapting" is an action with a goal...
and you can't have the concept of "adapted" without recognizing a change toward a result...

gosh, i guess we'll never know.

you're such a fucking retard, it's getting harder and harder to dumb this shit down enough to where you might be able to understand it.

look at the article that mentioned one species that didn't change for billions of years.
why didn't it change, anon?
maybe because it was adapted?
maybe because it reached the end goal?

if your argument is "you can't have an end goal while still potentially having other goals ahead", say it.

i feel like i'm in a boss fight in a special ed video game, and you're King Retard whose special move is "semantics that he doesn't understand."


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Anonymous 25/05/20(Tue)10:25 No. 16572

>>16569
>mutations occur even if the environment doesn't change
correct.
mutations can be random. they happen all the time. the system isn't perfect.
what i said was that without selection pressure, they don't lead to adaptation.
mutations *alone* aren't evolution, but they are a part of evolution, and selection is what sorts them.

>they still do not conjure new genetic information
and there it is, the centerpiece of retardation.
i guess insertions, duplications, inversions, promoter shifts, and regulatory rewiring doesn't exist.
>but no new gene appeared
does a new book occur every time a writer makes a new chapter?
new arrangement begets new expression, begets a new outcome.
that's literally "new info", you moron.

>adaptation depends on survival
mostly right, but survival isn't the only factor. reproductive success is the actual metric.
a trait that makes you live longer but not reproduce is worthless.
meanwhile, some adaptations reduce lifespan but boost mating.
see: peacocks, and pretty much every male insect ever.

>how do you objectively measure it?
we do.
we literally do.
fitness = number of viable offspring
lab experiments, field studies, allele frequency tracking.

>how is fitness quantified?
see above.
want a number?
count the babies.
the end.
you're asking "what is weight?" in a gym while people are deadlifting in front of you, and you don't even lift.

>there are no objective scenarios in nature that work as catalysts
cool opinion.
here's reality:
- antibiotic resistance
- climate shifts
- new predators
- resource scarcity

there's documented cases across thousands of studies.
you thinking that nature's too subjective doesn’t erase them

you're asking questions that’ve been answered for decades and pretending they're still some kind of mystery.
i've already addressed 90% of this in earlier posts.
you're literally just restating my points like you discovered them and trying to correct me with them, except you don't even understand what you're saying.
good job, fucktard.


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Anonymous 25/05/20(Tue)18:17 No. 16573
16573

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>>16572
>insertions, duplications, inversions, promoter shifts, and regulatory rewiring

Existing genetic information being used. In other words: not...new...genetic...information. It's obvious you don't understand if there is no new genetic information then you can't go from unicellular to multicellular.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0022519377900443
>Pic related

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15321723/
>Proteins employ a wide variety of folds to perform their biological functions. How are these folds first acquired?
>Combined with the estimated prevalence of plausible hydropathic patterns (for any fold) and of relevant folds for particular functions, this implies the overall prevalence of sequences performing a specific function by any domain-sized fold may be as low as 1 in 10(77), adding to the body of evidence that functional folds require highly extraordinary sequences.

This paper is just a technical way of saying that new enzyme folds are impossible to produce by natural selection. This experiment set out to measure the sensitivity to destabilization of proteins. When proteins are destabilized they lose function and if they lose their function they cannot continue to exist, which means further transformation or conversion into other proteins become impossible. This loss of function gives a measure of the rarity of stable functional folds. You could say that you need a miracle to produce a self-replicating cell out of nothing.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.191159298
>This study provides a quantitative assessment of the number of sequences compatible with a given fold and implicates previously unidentified residues needed to form a functional active site.
>Our estimate of the low frequency of protein catalysts in sequence space indicates that it will not be possible to isolate enzymes from unbiased random libraries in a single step. The required library sizes far exceed what is currently accessible by experiment, even with in vitro methods

This study determined that you cannot prove evolution experimentally because the amount of trials you would need is beyond anything that is remotely possible.

What you fail to grasp is that the cells translational system is highly dependent on accurately made proteins and a faulty translational system is by default a biochemical paradox in evolutionary terms. It is an impossible task: in order to develop a more accurate translational system is has to translate more accurately. Each imperfect cycle introduces further errors and the cyclical nature of self-replication in the cell means that imperfections lead to autodestruction so it isn't feasible whatsoever. What would be the selective force behind the evolution of the extremely complex translation system before there were functional proteins? Nothing.


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Anonymous 25/05/20(Tue)19:31 No. 16574

>>16573
goddamn you're stupid. alright, here we go again:

>insertions, duplications, promoter changes
>>not new information
ah yes, the "remixing letters makes the same book" argument.
tell that to every single protein family that diverged from a common ancestor.
wrong, and retarded.

>you can't evolve from unicellular to multicellular without brand new genes
except we have dozens of papers showing exactly how it happened.
cell adhesion, signaling, differentiation — all incremental changes and stages.

sponges and volvocine algae called. they want their fossils back.

>pic related, 1977 paper
cool, you found a 50-year-old fossil that's been cited overwhelmingly more in refutations than confirmations, especially in modern citations where scientists have much more solid data to work with.

here's a short list (there are many more):
https://journals.biologists.com/bio/article/13/10/bio061720/362245/The-evolution-of-multicellularity-and-cell
http://febs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/febs.15299
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8830517/
https://academic.oup.com/nar/article/50/4/1849/6523801

next you're gonna quote a geology paper from the 1800's, right?

>1 in 10(77) odds for protein folds
yes. in random sequence space, evolution builds, not guesses.
you don't start with chaos and hope for perfection, you start with a function and refine it.
that's literally how antibodies evolve inside your body right now.

>translation system couldn't evolve, it's a paradox
lol damn, again with this bullshit... you think the first translation system needed to look like a modern ribosome?
it didn't.
we have experimental evidence of primitive ribozymes that could bind amino acids
the system improved gradually, just like everything else in nature that doesn't have a

>you need a miracle for a cell to exist
if you define "miracle" as chemical evolution over a billion years in countless environments, then sure.

it's not going to happen like a biblical miracle.
god in the analogues of the bible is reckless (kill everyone and everything).
god in reality is methodical, deliberate and patient.


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Anonymous 25/05/20(Tue)19:50 No. 16575
16575

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>>16574
>diverged
>common ancestor

Wow...lol.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK20255/
>A conclusion that two (or more) genes or proteins are homologous is a conjecture, not an experimental fact. We would be able to know for a fact that genes are homologous only if we could directly explore their common ancestor and all intermediate forms. Since there is no fossil record of these extinct forms, a decision on homology between genes has to be made on the basis of the similarity between them, the only observable variable that can be expressed numerically and correlated with probability

For example, a stretch of DNA from a ribosomal RNA gene is forty bases long in humans and fifty-four bases long in orangutans. The sequences on either side match up perfectly. How do we know what bases correspond between the two species, how do we decide how many substitutions have occurred, when obviously some have been inserted and deleted as well? The problem is that we cannot tell which DNA sequence alignment is right, and the one we choose will contain implicit information about what evolutionary events have occurred, which will in turn affect the amount of similarity we tally. How similar is this stretch of DNA between human and orangutan? There may be eight differences or eleven differences, depending on how we decide the bases correspond to each other across the species—and that is, of course, assuming that a one-base gap is also equivalent to a five-base gap and to a base substitution. This is the fundamental problem of homology in biology: What is the precisely corresponding sequences in the other species? The answer is that no one knows. You don't have genetic remains that have been preserved for millions of years, as with all the empty hominid skeletons in Africa, you have no case. It's guesswork and not solid proof.


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Anonymous 25/05/20(Tue)23:13 No. 16576

>>16571

There is no goal to evolution, it's an ongoing process.


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Anonymous 25/05/21(Wed)02:44 No. 16578

>>16575
>homology is just a guess without fossil DNA
>alignment isn't perfect so it's not proof

you don't need ancient DNA to see shared origin
we use conserved sequences, structure, and phylogenetic trees, not blind guessing
a 99% match doesn't vanish because you can't decide if the gap is 3 bases or 5.
this is basic comparative genomics, not witchcraft.

you're confusing uncertainty in the fine print with absence of evidence.
it's not.
you're misunderstanding of how evolutionary models work, and trying to eek out a win by nitpicking formatting conventions and semantics.

in other words, you're coping.


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Anonymous 25/05/21(Wed)06:18 No. 16579
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>>16578
>you don't need ancient DNA to see shared origin

You do, actually.

>99% match doesn't vanish

There is no 99% match. It's simply a made up construct.

>basic comparative genomics

Which you clearly trust blindly without knowing how it works.


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Anonymous 25/05/21(Wed)07:10 No. 16580

>>16575
It's quite interesting that if you develop an analytical method based on physical evidence but can dismiss the burden of proof whenever it pleases you it sounds more like you're playing Dungeons and Dragons. Just ascribe some numerical values on a dice the multitude of all the possible outcomes in the world and throw them around. Supreme autistic hubris combined with intense larping.


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Anonymous 25/05/21(Wed)09:39 No. 16581

>>16573
>What would be the selective force

this
darwin btfo!


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Anonymous 25/05/21(Wed)11:16 No. 16582

>>16579
>you do need ancient DNA to see shared origin
no, you don't.
homology is inferred from living data, like conserved sequences, gene trees, synteny, etc.
we build models from comparison, not time travel.
you thinking we need fossil genomes is like saying we can't know who built the pyramids unless we find their google tracking information.

>there is no 99% match, it's made up
lol. lmao even.
to try to prove your point, you're using scientific papers written by people who wholeheartedly would call you retarded and disagree with everything you're saying.
you're just denying reality.

we've sequenced full genomes.
as a matter of fact, one of the people who lead the project was a Christian, Francis Collins.
you know, one of the longest-serving NIH directors?
look up the Human Genome Project.

human-chimp orthologs are a ~98.8% match.
you're denying published numbers because they hurt your feelings, break your brain, and question your faith.

>you trust comparative genomics blindly
no, i trust what's repeatedly verified across scientific disciplines.
YOU trust blind faith, because you have to.

either way, evolution still exists whether you're able to cope with it or not.


>>16580
oh look, "light speed" denier bro is back to ride the coattails of others who haven't admitted they're wrong yet.


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Anonymous 25/05/21(Wed)12:37 No. 16583
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>>16582
>appeal to authority
>stating that something is true makes it true


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Anonymous 25/05/21(Wed)13:50 No. 16584
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>appeal to authority
that's not an appeal to authority, you retard.
did i say "you have to believe it because this guy does"? no.
i said he's the guy helped produce the data you're denying.
i brought him up to show that belief in evolution isn't a faith system like you claimed.
it's fully compatible with your faith, but you're too fragile to accept that.

you don't reject the science because of reason, you rejected it because you're a prideful little snowflake.
it's about you clinging to young earth creationist nonsense that collapses under a 5th grade science education.

>stating that something is true makes it true
yea bro, because i didn't mention any match rates, or genome sequencing, or the actual methodologies behind homology inference.
totally just made it all up, right?

i'll give you one more chance to say some obvious bait shit.


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Anonymous 25/05/21(Wed)13:54 No. 16585

>>16581
i love that the third source says you need intelligent design to incrementally build proteins lol


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Anonymous 25/05/21(Wed)14:05 No. 16586

>>16585
>this paper says you need intelligent design to build proteins lol

it says in this particular experiment, they aren't expecting a working enzyme to pop out of pure random chance, since that could take billions of years to do.
they're saying need guided, step-by-step strategies in lab experiments, (aka smart planning, aka "intelligent design"), not divine intervention.

"intelligent design" here means human researchers using their brains, not god sprinkling magic on amino acids.

good try though.


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Anonymous 25/05/21(Wed)15:45 No. 16587

>>16583
he's not too bright, unfortunately

>>16585
that's the reality of rare, functional proteins
you could only produce them if agency is involved

(RULE #3 VIOLATION)


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Anonymous 25/05/21(Wed)20:04 No. 16588

>he's not too bright, unfortunately
lmao
>that's the reality of rare, functional proteins
>you could only produce them if agency is involved
lmao again. wrong, and good job ignoring what i said.

>(RULE #3 VIOLATION)
hahahahahaha


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Anonymous 25/05/22(Thu)07:14 No. 16590

>>16587
In order to show how anything as complex as a cell would arise out of nothing you would first have to prove how ribose, phosphate, purines and pyrimidines formed. These in turn would produce nucleotides in a very low yield, complicated further by the presence of a much larger amount of various nucleotide analogues. Then you would have to show how the nucleotides and their analogues in turn would fuse into polymers (2'5'-, 3'5'- and 5'5'-phosphodiester linkages, variable numbers of phosphates between the sugars, D- and L- stereoisomers of the sugars, α- and β-monomers of the glycosidic bond and assorted modifications of the sugars, phosphates and bases). After that you would have to show how an impartial self-replication mechanism would arise out of this mess that disregards the compositional differences in all of these components. DNA sequences that code for proteins need to convey, in addition to the protein-coding information, several different signals at the same time. These parallel codes include binding sequences for regulatory and structural proteins, signals for splicing, and RNA secondary structure. Basically, it's impossible when there is no selective force to begin with.


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Anonymous 25/05/22(Thu)13:28 No. 16591

>>16590
cool, now you're confusing abiogenesis with modern cellular function.
show me who claimed a fully-formed, DNA-based cell popped into existence overnight again?

the early earth had billions of years of chemical activity, across countless environments, including hydrothermal vents, tidal pools, volcanic regions, meteorite impacts to make this happen.
it had so many dice it could roll, and it rolled the fuck out of them, constantly.
for BILLIONS OF FUCKING YEARS.

if you're calling it finally hitting a 7, an 11, a yahtzee, or whatever the fuck you want to use here a "miracle", you're an idiot.
the only thing you need is time, variation, and chemistry, and the early earth had far more than enough of all three.

>you'd need to prove how ribose, phosphate, purines, pyrimidines formed
okay, bet.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19444213/
RNA with simple sunlight, common molecules, and wet/dry cycles.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4568310/
yet another path to the same end.

you are 15 years behind with your retarded young earth creationist propaganda.

>nucleotide analogues would ruin it
early self-replicating systems likely didn't use modern nucleotides, dumbass.
they used simpler polymers (like [probably] RNA precursors), and natural selection eventually favored the stable and functional ones.

>too many stereoisomers and linkages
yes, early chemistry was messy
but selection works even at the molecular level. once a single, replicating system had an edge (even a small one), it would start to dominate.
selection is feedback, not perfection

>you need complex DNA regulation
modern DNA is complex because it had billions of years to roll dice and add modifiers.
the earliest replicators didn't even use DNA.
they probably used RNA, or even simpler precursors.
there's no reason to believe the early earth, with its billions of dice rolls, wouldn't have come up with the same results since it had the same ingredients.
it's the "room filled with monkeys and typewriters writing shakespeare" scenario, except there's a steady new flow of monkeys and typewriters any time one of them dies or the typewriters break.

>there was no selective force to begin with
lmao wrong. dead wrong.
the moment anything could make more of itself (even imperfectly), natural selection kicks in.
even in a pool of junk, the molecule that replicates better starts taking over, with zero "intelligence" needed.


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Anonymous 25/05/22(Thu)15:05 No. 16592

>>16590
you can tell that this thread has a lot of deus ex machina rhetoric

>muh time
empirically debunked

the source about bacteria not evolving for billions of years

>muh randomness
experimentally debunked

the source about E. coli that never generate new genetic information disproves gould's theory of contingency

in total this thread is mostly autistic sperging and logical


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Anonymous 25/05/22(Thu)15:51 No. 16593

>>16592
the irony is the people doing the autistic sperging are the ones railing against autists as though they're lepers.


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Anonymous 25/05/23(Fri)07:05 No. 16594

>>16592
Yeah, I know. Like listening to a broken record made of inconsistency.


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Anonymous 25/05/23(Fri)10:19 No. 16595

>>16570
very accurate



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