Makes sense to me.

Being autistic means you can't see the forest for the trees.

>>15389
I always get the feeling that autists are disconnected from everything that's innately human. It's like talking to a machine sometimes. A machine that only lives on stimulus from its surroundings.

>>15390
There is a piece missing in their minds so obviously their behaviour is defective by nature. You can't blame them for it but you also don't have to care about them or take their wellbeing into consideration. I rarely see autistic people that treat others with dignity or have a basic understanding of compassion because it's all just repetitive rituals to them that make it easier for them to blend in.

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>>15392
https://emergentdivergence.com/2022/05/11/double-empathy-solipsism-and-neurotypicality/
>I believe that to understand neuronormativity, we must first understand Solipsism. Solipsism is the belief that only the self and its experiences exist. A solipsist would believe that their experiences are the only experiences, essentially reducing others and their experiences to sub-human automations.
>In my opinion, while neurotypicals have been using ideas such as theory of mind to accuse Autistics of lacking the ability to know another’s mind, neurotypicals have been so unaware of the existence of neurodivergent experience that they will inflict pain on us to “help” us conform to their standards.

You can tell that autism is a huge problem for society. The majority of autistic people have alexithymia which means they’re unable to know what feelings are and that makes them mentally unstable. If an individual with these kinds of issues gain political or monetary power it will always be disastrous. Think of it as involuntary psychopathy.

Gotta love the "understanding" on here.


I hate the glorification of autism but this whole pathologising autists as sociopaths is ironically projective.

Fuck all of you.
I bet you all have a level of autism and you dont even know it.


Also religion amd science arent mutually exclusive in pursuits

>>15395
Autistic people can hold grudges over nothing. The danger of not being able to comprehend normal daily interactions is that you get angry and vindictive over absolutely ridiculous comments or banal conversations.

>>15396
They grind their teeth all the way down to the pulp because of some random woman asking about directions in the street and she just happened to put emphasis on one syllable which made the entire sentence a sarcastic, verbal assault against their pride and self-esteem.

I think the autistic people ypure referring to are the more "social" ones.

Theres autists that dont have any sense of ego or worldly desire.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6047840/
>Paraphilic Disorder in a Male Patient with Autism Spectrum Disorder
>This case details the history of an 18-year-old Caucasian male, with a past psychiatric history of ASD
>These fantasies included being aroused by "anthropomorphic animal characters" and were self-described as "furry". He had a self-reported history of having a violent sexual fantasy in which he "had sex with a girl and then cut off her head."

Autistic people seem to be extremely deranged to the point of being a danger to themselves and everyone else.

>>15402
Not surprising that an atheist would indulge in any kind of depravity so long as it "feels good".

>>15403
Irony is thats also alot of theists.

>>15398
And neurotypical people arent?

>>15404
Autism was thought of as schizoohrenai until recently.

Bit the brain patterns are differemt.
Schizophreb
nia is more "consistent".

>>15402
Such thibgs are also common in non autostic people.
But its more fun to blame autists because mocking Down Syndrome is not cool anymore.

>>15410
The worst part is that he can’t grasp how detached from reality he is.

Autists are probably the most devious people there is. Their whole outlook on life is so warped that they treat everything as a game.

>>15415
The evil manchild syndrome.

>>15415
>>15416
I think you guys suffer from projection.
Alot of armchair philsophers tend to suffer from this.

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>>15416
You are right in a sense that autistic people are like evil manchildren because autistic people are innately immature way past their childhood age, but when you say evil I think you mean that they are indifferent to everyone around them. A small child can pick up a kitten and play with it roughly, causing its death and then have no remorse whatsoever when the kitten died because children are naturally self-absorbed and have not really developed a sense of empathy or understanding of the world around them. Autistic people suffer from mindblindness and so their way of thinking revolves around their own needs and desires.

Evil manchild is a good description, though.

>>15419
I will never understand why autists get a free pass.

>>15421
Infantilization. They take advantage of this and use their mental defect as a shield. If you call them what they are (autists) they get offended and suddenly want you to treat them differently.
I've seen this first-hand and it's the most sneaky rat behaviour ever.

Is this the thread where we roleplay as neurotypical as if any neurotypical person would ever visit this site?

>>15419
im not sure about that.
Small children may not have developed advanced empathy but to say they dont feel remorse?

>>15419
irony is the way you describe children is how children were treted by adults in historic times.

They were seen as nothing more than test subjects for whatever creed they were born into.

>>15430
Anyone that has spent time around small children knows they cannot control their impulses and that makes them dangerous. Indirect harm is always a risk because they couldn't care less about everyone else.

>>15430
Do you remember that 6 year old who killed his teacher last year? A good example of what happens when you let children do as they please. As far as I know the child in question never showed any remorse when they asked him why and he had no signs of mental illness or odd behaviour.

>>15431
Fun fact: you cannot accurately diagnose children with psychopathy because, what you call antisocial or psychopathic behaviour in adults is normal among children.

>>15422
Call him pathetic, a manchild, crazy snd it runs off him like water off a duck's back. But call him autistic and you'll be amazed how hurt he is, how he recoils in shock, gasping "I've been found out!"

>>15434
Children can be extremely ruthless so just think about what an adult evil sperg can do.

>>15435
Most autists are really obnoxious and that's mostly because they're so egotistical that it devolves into a parody of the Truman show.

>>15446
Jason Beckman was autistic and he killed his father. Angry manchild revolt against his parents in the most aggressive way.

>>15434
>>15432
>>15446
I think you all misunderstand what psychopathy is.

No, chikdren arent normalised to psychopathy.
Just because they havent developed greater moral awareness dosnt make them psychopathic.

Also surprisingly, alot of things we condemn kids for are more common in adults.

>>15450
Children are psychopathic but it's not malign. You can't diagnose them because their development depends on going through an overtly self-centered period in life and then shed that behaviour.

>>15451
It's kind of scary when you think about it. What you call innocence in children is actually a totally uninhibited form of egotism where you do as you please without any consequential thinking. A human being that lack restraints.

>>15432
He only shot his teacher, he didn't kill her. However it still proves that children can murder with intent albeit less malicious like an adult.

>>15452
Ignorance is bliss they say, even if it means you can't comprehend your own actions.

>>15453
The thing about the whole situation is that it was planned. He took time and effort to find his mother's weapon and bring it to school to cause harm so it was all premeditated. That's not a crime of passion, that's calculated volition.

>>15454
>it was planned

Exactly. A child trying to kill someone isn't based on some vengeful behaviour that is rooted deep in their mind but because of childish reasons. It's immature.

>>15455
Children can't really rationalize murder in the same way adults do either. If someone calls them stupid or ugly then they just retaliate in the most primitive way possible, just like in a schoolyard fight. Children use violence all the time. They hit each other from a young age if something is displeasing to them (a brother or sister stole a toy or didn't obey their commands) but it's not malevolent. It's simply empathetic detachment and they lack everything that make it possible for humans to coexist with one another.

It's psychopathic but it's necessary.

>>15458
That's why they are so dangerous.

>>15460
Mentally unstable manchildren with zero understanding of the world around them? What could go wrong! Nothing whatsoever, lol.

>>15461
Scary and sad at the same time.

Most children do not murder people; it's not normal for a child to kill a person or even an animal.

>>15463
The point is that they can if they're allowed to. Normality has nothing to do with it.

>>15464
Carl Newton Mahan is another example.

>>15465
Children usually settle disputes with violence and it only becomes deadly if they have access to weapons since they lack brute strength.

>>15465
Mahan is a tragic case. He kills a boy, sits and laughs during the trial because he is not able to comprehend the seriousness of the whole ordeal and committed suicide later as an adult. It’s like children that get molested when they’re young. They grow up and slowly develop heavy mental issues.

>>15466
The only language they understand.

>>15452
Are you sure about that,? All this sounds like moral projection.

>>15456
Then how do you consider adults using physical punishment on kids for non-physical offenses, like speaking out of turn?

>>15455
And you think the bast majority of petty crim by adults isn't the same?

>>15454
Ignorance is not bliss. That's a patronizing sentiment use by bitter disgruntled adults who don't like basic responsibility.

>>15456
Have you seen the way adults handle conflicts when they have no personal luxury or rights?

Adults overestimate age numbers (especially the own) as a moral compass.

Men especially are guilty of abusing their seniority to overrule basic decency.

>>15468
Only because we patronize children as pets.

>>15467
Murder is a game to them and understandably so. Another extension of the self-absorbed mind.

>>15471
All is fun and games so long as they are not affected.

>>15472
Tit for tat is the golden rule among children and it has no real threshold.

>>15475
I've met plenty of autistic people that have no awareness when it comes to what is proportional or what is harmless. They sperg out hard and always have this sense of entitlement and think the world should let them do whatever they like.

>>15476
They obsess over all the irrelevant minutiae in their lives so of course they think they matter more than others.

>>15473
>>15471
This all sounds like misopedia.
All these pathologist aren't limited to prepubescence.
Look at how adults handle their affairs.

>>15477
That is their biggest issue: pointless details that make no difference.

>>15479
It's useless to engage in a conversation with them. They can't express an opinion without writing a 9 page essay on a trivial situation. It's like communicating with a human compiler that see everything as a long sequence of code that has to be deciphered.

>>15481
Their whole existence is to systematize everything.

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>>15481
Insufferable and delusional.

>>15483
Wow. How annoying.

>>15484
The biggest reason why autistic people do more damage than good. They think they're more special than they actually are. They're "special", not special.

>>15485
Yet their own thoughts only orbit the miniscule and petty.

>>15487
Not only are they self-absorbed but also cruel.

>>15490
Cruelty is natural for them.

Atheism is something suited for pedantic people and when you are autistic there is no room for heuristic gaps.

>>15494
To me autism is a brutal form of mental gymnastics. The mind becomes a prison full of "nuances" that you can't ignore.

>>15495
Perpetual overthinking.

>>15498
Contemplating something so ordinary and dull that you assign extreme value to it.

>>15505
Trapped in an imaginary world.

>>15506
Hypothetical thinking multiplied by a billion which amounts to nothing.

>>15516
Living in a fantasy world so that it becomes detrimental to everything else you do.

>>15521
No compromises due to high need of control and constant safe space.

>>15522
Unshakeable conformity that has to be in line with your own desires.

>>15524
Autism without medication always ends in failure.

>>15528
It's like they can't function properly at all.

the way yall are talking sounds ironically like autism.

>If autistic people lack the ability to understand other people's feelings and desires, then obviously there can be no moral imperative for them to care about anyone other than themselves.
Autists don't lack the ability to understand others feelings, they have a harder time doing so than non-autists. Psycopaths on the other hand lack the ability to understand other peoples feelings, and usually lack yhe moral imperatives you speculated about. You also seem to confuse sociopathy with psychopathy

>>15560
Autists have alexithymia so no. You're wrong. If you can't identify feelings then it's pretty much as if you lack them.

>>15574
Also there tends to be a flattening of emotions among autists. They become desensitized.

Autists are face blind so it becomes harder for them to understand emotions.

>>15576
The don't even know how to smile like a normal person.

>>15577
They look like they are constipated.

>>15578
It is impossible for them to adequately connect a facial expression with a certain emotion. They're like shitty animatronic dolls that have exaggerated smiles and raised eyebrows.

>>15574
Only around 50% of autists have alexithymia. Furthermore, not being able to identify one's emotions is not at all the same as not having emotions at all. Lastly, as I said earlier, autists do understand other's emotions, even if they might have a harder time doing so than the average population. It' astounding how you lack the ability to formulate a valid argument, considering we're on a philosophy board.

(Source for my claims: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-with-autism-can-read-emotions-feel-empathy1/)

>>15574
Only around 50% of autists have alexithymia. Furthermore, not being able to identify one's emotions is not at all the same as not having emotions at all. Lastly, as I said earlier, autists do understand other's emotions, even if they might have a harder time doing so than the average population. It' astounding how you lack the ability to formulate a valid argument, considering we're on a philosophy board.

(Source for my claims: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-with-autism-can-read-emotions-feel-empathy1/)

>>15579
That's what happens when you have no real emotions.

>>15582
It's like they try to act emotions instead of feeling them.

>>15584
I think that the reason that autists are so socially awkward is because they're so alienated from themselves. They can't handle their own inner self and are unable to understand anything that has to do with the human condition.

>>15388
Same here. Science is the pacifier they need.

>>15591
you say that like science is some sort of impersonal toy

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>>15592
Science is the only anchor that autists rely on. It's their crutch.

https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/_/sciences-under-discussed-problem-with-confirmation-bias
>Research scientists are under pressure to get published in the most prominent journals possible, and their chances increase considerably if they find positive (thus “impactful”) results. For journals, the appeal is clear, writes Philip Ball for Nautilus: they’ll make a bigger splash if they discover some new truth, rather than if they simply refuted old findings. The reality is that science rarely produces data so appealing.
> The quest for publication has led some scientists to manipulate data, analysis, and even their original hypotheses. In 2014, John Ioannidis, a Stanford professor conducting researching on research (or ‘meta-research’), found that across the scientific field, “many new proposed associations and/or effects are false or grossly exaggerated.” Ioannidis, who estimates that 85 percent of research resources are wasted, claims that the frequency of positive results well exceeds how often one should expect to find them

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39054778
>Science is facing a "reproducibility crisis" where more than two-thirds of researchers have tried and failed to reproduce another scientist's experiments, research suggests.
>"It's worrying because replication is supposed to be a hallmark of scientific integrity,"

>>15597
lol this

>>15596
Idk man.
Alot of autists rely more on Sonic and MLP than actual science.

Most people, neurodivergent and neurotypical, look down on science as impersonal

>>15596
Alan Turing is a good example.

>>15601
The first incel.

>>15599
Autists can only grasp the world through the lens of science.

>>15603
A psychopathic materialist.