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John Smith 25/07/20(Sun)07:56 No. 49265
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Johns.

What do you think of all this artificial intelligence business? It seems like quite a mess to me.


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John Smith 25/07/20(Sun)17:01 No. 49266

It's all half-baked, horrendously misused, and somehow putting us on an even faster track to the heat death of the eco-system than the whole "NFT" scam from a few years ago. As a teacher I think it also is pretty concerning how I'm watching very fundamental critical thinking skills (across all ages, not just the youth) tank in real time because of it.

Remember when your teachers/professors complained about Wikipedia, and how you didn't know where the information was coming from? This is infinitely worse than that. The speed at which a lot of normal people have decided to use GPT or whatever client as the infallible word of god without being concerned with fact checking/comparing sources is very distressing to me. It's a very big problem too since many of these AIs have various biases and censorships built into them--Elon's and Facebook's ones come to mind, for example. One counterargument I've heard is that you can also use the AI to get source citations as well, but if you don't dig through those sources yourself to verify them/the information in them you're still just taking what the AI said at face-value. And if you *do* do all that work to verify the information yourself, why did you need the AI in the first place?

I feel like what it all comes down to is an extremely effective method to control people, and keep them too stupid and unskilled to be a danger to people upstairs. The huge push toward trying to popularize AI art/music is the biggest warning sign for that. The arts are *always* the first thing to get defunded, devalued or otherwise trivialized when a government tries clamping down because artistically-minded people are historically where many of previous upheavals started. I also feel like AI clients are a huge, gaping backdoor for surveillance/intelligence fuckery. I think it's very telling that a lot of these major AI companies' executives just got sworn into the US military.

I could ramble and rant about it forever, but at the end of the day I'm an internet asshole, not an essayist--one day maybe I'll take the time to sit down and really organize these and other thoughts I have about the current state of AI, and make a little manifesto or something.

I will say I've made my peace with it all though. At the end of the day I think the current misuse of AI just one more symptom of the general sentiment of doomsday acceleration-ism that seems to be gripping the world right now. There's 100 different reasons why we're all fucked and we're all gonna die etc. etc., so I think the ultimate act of resistance is just to live as well and as intelligently as we can in the meantime. I'm very fortunate that the vast majority of my work still takes place in the real world, and I can't really say I feel like I'm anywhere close to the chopping block for AI to take my job or something. And while I genuinely fear how incredibly dumb a lot of mankind is about to become, I take solace in the fact that I'm not, and that most of the people I'm around in my day-to-day life are not. And *you're* not either John, remember that and really appreciate it.


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John Smith 25/07/20(Sun)22:22 No. 49267
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Anyone who thinks a super-intelligent AI will do what we tell it to do is a damn fool, that's what I think. I just hope my future robot girlfriend kills me painlessly in my sleep


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John Smith 25/07/21(Mon)07:31 No. 49268

AI is just a media scare used to further justify any Luddite sentiment in people like
>>49266

"MUH AI is taking over the world" is projection of human flaws.

AI is not robotic automation at all.

It just merely uses pre existing data.
It's just LLM. It's not automatic at all.

People who claim AI is gonna make people dumber are the same people who thought that about books.

It's just a tool.
AI only works if you're already efficient and skilled.

Alot of complaint is against AI are usually from artists

And yet AI is replacing jobs that were never considered essential to begin with.


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John Smith 25/07/21(Mon)07:35 No. 49269

>>49266

As a general rule, aren't you teachers always assuming that every thing is bad?
I tend to notice that teachers have a strong pathological aversion to technical skills amd worldly exposure in general.

You think that academic skills are the only moral compass.

Any new form of technology is automatically "evil".

It's interesting that we live in a time where people spend more time in school than ever before and yet you're still not satisfied.

Yet, the average adult doesn't use half the academic skills you goad the youth about.


Irony is, before the Internet, less people completed high school, let alone college.

Yet, adults are never held in contempt for not finishing education.
It's kids whom are.


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John Smith 25/07/21(Mon)07:47 No. 49270

>>49266
>I'm very fortunate that the vast majority of my work still takes place in the real world, and I can't really say I feel like I'm anywhere close to the chopping block for AI to take my job or something. And while I genuinely fear how incredibly dumb a lot of mankind is about to become, I take solace in the fact that I'm not, and that most of the people I'm around in my day-to-day life are not. And *you're* not either John, remember that and really appreciate it.

No offense but this reeks of persecution complex.
Your job is more likely to be replaced due to desire for homeschooling than any actual AI.
Also, alot of people are already dumb because they fell for the moral hysteria of AI.

The same anti - AI sentiment is the same that fuelled Pizzagate and January Sixth.

Pure indignation for no reason other than feeling entitled to be eternally relevant.


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John Smith 25/07/22(Tue)15:42 No. 49271

>>49268
I've already written one little wall of text about AI in this thread so I don't feel like replying to all of your posts, but I wanted to tell you that I fundamentally disagree with you. I think a LOT of the things you just said are deeply incorrect and some are either especially bad-faith or especially dumb. Comparing what's currently going on with AI to the advent of books??? That entire post of random assumptions about my beliefs/values because I teach???? Comparing concern over AI with pizzagate and January 6????? And in 3 posts, completely ignoring my FIRST point, above all of my bitching about other things, that it's also just incredibly shitty for the environment????? Really?

Again I don't really want to get into it because from the posts you've already made I don't think either of us would find further correspondence very fulfilling, so I'll just say I think you're lame and gay etc etc and leave it alone.


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John Smith 25/07/23(Wed)16:26 No. 49272

>>49271
Explain how I'm wrong/bad faith

Because I remember when Photoshop became the big thing people were complaining about that destroying art.
Or when synthesizers became popular in music.
And yes, books should be compared because most people before then were not literate but were oral.

People thought books were corrupting the masses.

And yes the AI scare can be compared to Pizzagate and January sixth because most of the phobia is mainly unfounded or exaggerated.

Most "AI" is probably just manual oversight by coding.

Meanwhile, blue collar jobs are dwindling in supply, there's a decline in life skills and technical skills for the average adult due to education prioritizing liberal arts l



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