/phi/ - Philosophy

Anonymous 25/11/21(Fri)14:24 No. 16979

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one supposes, obviously, that the simple fact of the matter is that free-will is much too terrifying for much of the herd, and they are much more inclined (perhaps reticent) to wear the labels and play the roles doled out by those they merely perceive as having some sort of authority, when in actuality, the exalted among us, too, are beholden to self-imposed... farce.

To be sure, if the role is brimming with excess licentiousness, then all the better.

For where is conducting one's self civilly and with the common-interest at heart of interest?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCZcBmaZbl0

Anonymous 25/11/21(Fri)16:33 No. 16980

#41- Scholars of the highest class, when they hear about the Tao, earnestly carry it into practice. Scholars of the middle class, when they have heard about it, seem now to keep it and now to lose it. Scholars of the lowest class, when they have heard about it, laugh greatly at it. If it were not thus laughed at, it would not be fit to be the Tao (...)

#1- (...) Always without desire we must be found, if it's deep mystery we would sound; But if desire always within us be, It's outer fringe is all that we shall see (...)

I'd offer to translate, but I really don't know how it can be said any more clearly..

Anonymous 25/11/21(Fri)20:08 No. 16984

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perhaps it's that free-will (or personal liberty) is readily (and very much intentionally) conflated with anarchy/disorder/disobedience

obviously the result of a tradition that proposes that the "natural order" descends from a divinity (with a top-down definition) to the king/regent and then on down the hierarchy (to be obeyed by the peasantry) COMPOUNDED with (particularly in the west) that /kernel of truth/ (again, same definition source) that human beings are inherently sinful/wicked and sans the hierarchy all would be lost

what humans are, inherently, is social and compassionate (lest perverted to believe otherwise) AND opportunistic (i.e. those prone to do the perverting) ... hence the necessity of lore and order, obviously based in reason and insulated against the more eager and unscrupulous opportunists; constant vigilance etc. etc.

of course, opportunism is also a trait highly conducive to survival for a generalist species such as ourselves

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhu_Xi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgyG9sScQ1U