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Anonymous 25/04/23(Wed)05:08 No. 16415
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Should a man strive to be an embodiment of idealized masculinity?


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Anonymous 25/04/23(Wed)05:53 No. 16416

If men won't strive then no one will.


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Anonymous 25/04/24(Thu)01:55 No. 16420

Is there an alternative? I mean in terms of actually doing something?


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Anonymous 25/04/26(Sat)11:23 No. 16441

if you are searching for embodiment of masculine ideals, stoicism is a good place to start.

-"I have often wondered how it is that every man loves himself more than all the rest of men, but yet sets less value on his own opinion of himself than on the opinion of others." - Marcus Aurelius

-"Be silent for the most part, or, if you speak, say only what is necessary and in a few words." -Epictetus

-“Without an adversary, virtus shrivels.
We see how great and how viable virtus is when, by endurance, it shows what it is capable of.” - Seneca (Virtus is Roman manliness)

-"If you accomplish something good with hard work, the labor passes quickly, but the good endures; if you do something shameful in pursuit of pleasure, the pleasure passes quickly, but the shame endures" - Musonius Rufus

-“Man conquers the world by conquering himself.” -Zeno of Citium

the stoics put heavy focus on dedication, honest hard work, mastery of pleasure and pain, moderation, balance, stability, honorable conduct etc. So basically anti hedonism and anti sensationalism which attributes to stoicism not being some kind of self help bullshit but a wake up call for pulling your shit together and mental fortitude which is extremely manly because men are natural sources of strength and stability.


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Anonymous 25/06/08(Sun)07:19 No. 16611

Im very leery of questions like these.


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Anonymous 25/06/08(Sun)07:22 No. 16612

>>16441
Stoicism is just the pretentious male version of "empathy".

Also, glorification of suffering is shallow.
I notice that people who romanticise suffering often are ignorant of real life people going through problems

They think life is exactly like action adventure movies


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Anonymous 25/06/08(Sun)07:25 No. 16613

>>16441
>the stoics put heavy focus on dedication, honest hard work, mastery of pleasure and pain, moderation, balance, stability, honorable conduct etc. So basically anti hedonism and anti sensationalism which attributes to stoicism not being some kind of self help bullshit but a wake up call for pulling your shit together and mental fortitude which is extremely manly because men are natural sources of strength and stability.

In theory
In reality, this is just being human in general.
Women often have to work long hours and still go home to make dinner for the kids

Also, "anti hedonism" is often used to morally harass/guilt trip men for having any form of recreation.



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