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Was Hitler Really Bad or Really Good? (Genuine Question) Sigma.akainu 24/04/26(Fri)06:10 No. 15693
15693

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>ME 16
>LEARNS ABOUT HITLER ON TWITTER
>REALISES HE IS A BAD PERSON WHO KILLED 6 MILLION JEWS
>OPENS TWITTER AND SEES POST SUPPORTING HITLER
>WONDERS WHY PEOPLE ARE SUPPORTING HITLER WHEN HE IS AN EVIL PERSON
>READS WHY THEY SUPPORT HIM
>THEY ARGUE NO EVIDENCE FOR HOLOCAUST AND IT IS LOGICALLY AND MATHEMATICALLY INCONSISTENT TO COOK 6 MILLION IN THAT DURATION
>CONFUSED
>MAKES A POST ASKING PEOPLE TO EXPLAIN ME WHETHER HE IS REALLY A BAD PERSON OR GOOD PERSON
>PLEASE GUYS, PLEASE TEACH ME


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Historian 24/04/26(Fri)06:54 No. 15694

>>15693
>US burns about 513,000,000 tons of coal each year for power alone.
>1 ton = 2000 pounds.
>that's 1,026,000,000,000 pounds.
>being generous, the average Jew in a concentration camp weighed 100 pounds.
>at the same rate of coal, the US could burn approximately 10,260,000,000 Jews.
>the US is about 28x larger than Germany.
>10,260,000,000 divided by 28 is still about 336,000,000.

Germany, at the pace of coal consumption in the US, could perform 56 Holocausts in a year.
There's nothing "mathematically inconsistent" about it.
That said, Hitler was still not a bad person.


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Historian 24/07/16(Tue)18:50 No. 15703

>>15693
ww2 is the founding myth of modern society
if you like how the world is today then he's bad
if you don't then he's good


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Historian 24/08/05(Mon)08:02 No. 15704

>>15703
No.


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Historian 24/11/12(Tue)08:11 No. 15709

>>15694
Coal is flammable and releases energy, human bodies take more energy to burn than they release


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Historian 24/12/20(Fri)16:41 No. 15716

>>15709
The math is still solid.
I'm not going to do it because it would be stupid.
56 holocausts divided by the efficiency of burning a human body vs coal is still completely feasible, and wrecks OP's retarded assertion.
Keep in mind also that not all of them were cremated.
Many mass graves were also found in the countries Germany invaded, like Babi Yar in Ukraine and Minsk in Belarus.
The internet is right there. AI is right there.
You barely have to do any work to see how retarded this is.


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Historian 24/12/20(Fri)18:22 No. 15717

>>15716

It's a nonsense anyway because the apparent assumption there is that the only thing being burned inside the furnace was bodies, no fuel.


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Historian 24/12/21(Sat)20:33 No. 15718

He killed Germans. Punitively to accost guilt for the waging of ww1, and to scapegoat majority of Germans who weren't arbitrarily branded as "jews" to excuse it.

Germans who happened to be of the Jewish persuasion, are just as guilty of their PRE-nazi past as other ones are today in the eyes of Saudi truckers. This ideology is nothing but another scapegoat, a way to say that "jews have suffered enough, but everyone else has suffered too little" and instigate more harm on that basis while jews seek out seafront properties in Gaza.

Hitler targeting Polish and German minorities is the exact same kind of campaign as Syria Palaestina has to endure today. It's always the importing of foreign culture in order to make that one the REAL True Scotsman of that place's chosen people: USA killed aMericans by importing Europan English and destroying american heritage, adn THAT EXACTLY was named "americanization" or creating the "real" America by killing the one born there. "Germanization" is the same thing, and now "Israelization" means forcing European "culture" on indigenous Palestinians. Lying is the definition of all their words.

This culture though infesting in Europe comes from Abrahamic religions that are spread by BOTH SEMITIC texts of the Quran and Torah. Even among themselves they brand ACTUALLY SEMITIC Arabs as "anti-semites" and that's the exact same program as McCarthyism or branding American natives as "un-american" for attempting to have a civic state inside AMerica, instead of Ummah-style Abrahamic oligarchy that SUA currently has, seeking to gain world dominance and globalist community of "Westernization".

Hitler didn't kill "semites", he killed 6 million European citizens, who all Israel plays a pity party on, despite being nothing ore than empty McCarthyism. If he randomly chose the semitic word of Ummah instad of Jew or Communist, then the other side of Semitic langauges would now larp as "victims of anti-semitism" while ethnically cleansing all of their OWN semitic neighbors. Semitism, is the Abrahamic alterantive to rational thought as your cultural heritage, because instead of rational logic you virtue signal on random emotions on the basis of Quran and Torah. It's not genetic either because these "semites" only have to have a short history of reading semitic text and any longer lineage will only make them part of the WRONG branch of the genome, like Mestizo would be shot in USA for being "anti-american" due to being half ACTUALLY american and not european anglo-saxon. Again, Poland and Palestine are purged in these exact same premise and hitler is did nothing that bibi wouldn't do also.


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Historian 24/12/21(Sat)20:58 No. 15719

>>15718
Israel is a welfare state that relies on fundamentalist Christians in the US and other states, as well as German guilt to survive.
It lost its right to exist a long time ago, and should've went the way of Nazi Germany, with war crime tribunals and a UN coalition leading it until an integrated government could be created.
The new constitution should be required to have an ironclad "Palestinian equal rights to all lands and services" clause included.
This would require an anti-zionist US president and congressional majority for any of that to happen.


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Historian 24/12/22(Sun)17:05 No. 15720

>>15719
The essential hurdle within Israel is the global support for a war without an enemy. Even pro-palestine side accepts these are "war crimes" by ignoring the fact that wars are had between two countries.

But rather than that, Israel gets to have a "war" like US "war against drugs" where the only government functionally responsible for civilians would in fact be the imposing state. In this case, Palestinians are israel's own civilians being genocided by its own de facto rulers, regardless of what name you give to the land, Israel or I dunno, ROC. Might as well be Republic of CHINA: Bureau of INDIAN Affairs is nowhere near Chinese border either. Nowhere near India. US plops these regimes where ever it pleases.

The routine of having and being "in war", without seeing a hint of a draft or declaration of one, is of course a hobby of the US voter at this point. It's just re-runs of Yellowstone to them. Even Breaking Bad hits close to home A LITTLE BIT, but a "media war" is just a consumable item.


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Historian 24/12/22(Sun)17:19 No. 15721

It seems so poignant to me, how Israel-not-Palestine in 2023 had the combined violent death rate of 5 of its previous years combined. The poignant part is, it rose to the level of an average year in USA. Have the right or not, they're not defending itself.

2001 in USA was not much of a notch at all, especially not when compared to current day constantly rising numbers. Honestly, it seems that the then-dropping numbers more or less stabilized and didn't drop any lower after 2001.


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Historian 25/02/18(Tue)01:35 No. 15730

He was an evil person who's insecurity led to mass murder. That's it.


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Historian 25/02/26(Wed)08:12 No. 15731
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>>15730
If that's the case how did he have the luck to be born on 4\20? It couldn't be dumb luck.


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Gandalf 25/02/26(Wed)08:12 No. 15732

>>15731
Lmao you're all about to die


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Historian 25/04/16(Wed)16:59 No. 15738

>>15730
Can I learn this power?


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Historian 25/04/17(Thu)12:27 No. 15740
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>>15693
Hitler would have been cooler if he actually killed 6 million jews.


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Historian 25/04/17(Thu)14:49 No. 15741

>>15716
I will take the bait.
>56 holocausts divided by the efficiency of burning a human body vs coal is still completely feasible, and wrecks OP's retarded assertion.
But the official claim is that the bodies were burned up in a specific set of crematory ovens, not in a nationwide energy infrastructure.
>Keep in mind also that not all of them were cremated.
So then where are the bodies?
>Many mass graves were also found in the countries Germany invaded, like Babi Yar in Ukraine and Minsk in Belarus.
How many is "many" and how many bodies are realistically buried in each? And in practical terms, does "many" x "many" + n(burnt) = 6 gorillion? Can you show this? You can't, because it doesn't. Which is why you instead decided to go with
>The internet is right there. AI is right there.
i.e. "It's not my job to educate you," i.e. "I have reached the limit of my knowledge on the subject, but I am convinced that somebody else on the internet can persuade you to my view, because I know that my view is the correct one, even though I cannot prove it myself. "
Why even throw your hat in the ring at all, then? Why even post?


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Historian 25/04/20(Sun)16:42 No. 15753
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>>15741
Kill yourself.

The official claim is that 6 million Jews were killed during the Holocaust, not that 6 million Jews went to the gas chambers or incinerators during the Holocaust. Just that they died due to the actions of Nazi Germany.

Some of the bodies were burned. Some of the bodies were buried.

Only one site in Minsk had 1,200 stiffs buried there. Some of them were identified as Jews: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-belarus-massgrave-burial-idUSKCN1ST1L7/ Another had 5,000. https://cja.huji.ac.il/hmm//browser.php?mode=set&id=16038 That's just two sites and there's 6,000 dead. Probably not all of them were Jews. But if there's 1000 more sites like that, there's your 6 million. If there's more than 1000 sites, then it's more than 6 million.

Because you're a faggot. Like literally. When you argue with a faggot it's never enough. You tell the faggot "No, I don't think you should be allowed near children" and the faggot starts demanding proof. No. Literally educate yourself how statistics works. When you have a sufficiently large sample size, you can make an inference about the whole population. https://www.stat.berkeley.edu/~census/sample.pdf Because right now you're demanding the identification of every single Jew that got oofed during the Holocaust. What you are asking is impossible. We don't know where some of the bodies of the people who were killed by the government on 9/11 are. We haven't identified all the remains of those that were recovered. https://www.the-sun.com/news/3624389/unidentified-remains-911-victims-repository-world-trade-center/ And this was only 20 years ago, with superior technology, and a much smaller casualty rate. Here's two sources on how this number was obtained. https://www.ushmm.org/teach/fundamentals/holocaust-questions https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/documenting-numbers-of-victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution

Here's my suggestion though - KYS. The world isn't going to stop turning because of the Jews and their lies. The fact that the WASPs let the Jews in power has been catastrophic in the States, but this is reality. Let's assume for a moment you're right and you find out that it was one million Jews. Or 2 million. Or 100k Jews. Doesn't matter. You'll blow the lid on it and nothing at all is going to happen, for two reasons. Nobody gives a shit about the Jews being in power because it's a net benefit for those in charge and because the Nazis are losers who lost and nobody likes their shit ideology. They got their asses kicked and the only people that support the regime are those who can't hack it in the modern world. And I say this as an actual eco-fascist. The best way to pwn the Jews? To be successful despite them and not supporting the System. Because unless you're willing to take on the System - meaningfully I mean - you won't do shit.

Mic drop.


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Historian 25/04/21(Mon)23:45 No. 15764

>>15753
Bad bot.


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Historian 25/04/22(Tue)00:47 No. 15765

>>15764
kys faggot


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Historian 25/04/22(Tue)02:49 No. 15766

>>15765
Rude


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Historian 25/04/22(Tue)02:57 No. 15767

>>15766
cry about it


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Historian 25/04/22(Tue)03:20 No. 15768
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>>15741
>But the official claim is that the bodies were burned up in a specific set of crematory ovens, not in a nationwide energy infrastructure.
Okay, what "official claim" again?
>So then where are the bodies?
13 countries had mass graves by the Nazis.

>>Many mass graves were also found in the countries Germany invaded, like Babi Yar in Ukraine and Minsk in Belarus.
>How many is "many" and how many bodies are realistically buried in each? And in practical terms, does "many" x "many" + n(burnt) = 6 gorillion? Can you show this? You can't, because it doesn't. Which is why you instead decided to go with "The internet is right there. AI is right there."

"You can't?" You're fucking retarded.

Camps:

Auschwitz-Birkenau: ~1,100,000
Treblinka: ~870,000
Belzec: ~434,500
Sobibor: ~170,000 – 250,000
Chelmno: ~152,000 – 180,000
Majdanek: ~78,000 – 92,000

Total: 2.8 – 3 million Jews


Einsatzgruppen and Mass Shootings:

Ukraine: ~900,000
Belarus: ~245,000
Lithuania: ~143,000
Latvia:~70,000
Estonia: ~8,000–10,000
Russia: ~107,000 – 120,000
Poland: ~200,000 – 250,000

Total: ~1.5 - 1.7 million Jews


Death Marches, Forced Labor:

Germany~100,000 – 120,000
Poland~60,000 – 80,000
Austria~20,000 – 30,000
Czechoslovakia~15,000 – 20,000
Hungary~30,000 – 40,000
Other (Netherlands, France, Baltic region, etc.) ~10,000 – 15,000

Total: ~250,000 – 300,000 Jews


Ghettos (Liquidation, Starvation, etc):

Poland: ~300,000 – 400,000
Lithuania: ~25,000 – 30,000
Latvia: ~10,000 – 15,000
Belarus: ~40,000 – 50,000
Ukraine: ~60,000 – 70,000
Hungary: ~10,000 – 20,000 (mostly Budapest in 1944 – 45)
Romania (Transnistria ghettos): ~70,000 – 90,000
Czechoslovakia: ~5,000 – 10,000 (especially Theresienstadt)
Germany & Austria: ~2,000 – 5,000 (small urban ghettos, before deportation)

Total: 500,000+ Jews


Other Causes (random executions, medical experiments, etc.):

Total: ~100,000–200,000 Jews


>i.e. "It's not my job to educate you," i.e. "I have reached the limit of my knowledge on the subject, but I am convinced that somebody else on the internet can persuade you to my view, because I know that my view is the correct one, even though I cannot prove it myself. "
>Why even throw your hat in the ring at all, then? Why even post?

I told you this because you can have this whole-ass conversation with an AI. We have that technology, yet you willfully decide to remain a retard. You can directly ask the AI questions, cross-reference the claims it made, check history books, check census information, and make damn sure it's not hallucinating, and come up with the same end result, because I honestly didn't want to break all of this shit down to some retard being edgy on the internet, but HERE THE FUCK WE ARE, with you fighting to say the world is flat.

Of all the fucking things to hate Jews for, bro.
Hate them for Hollywood.
Hate them for banks.
Hate them for Israel.
Hate them for Palestine.
Hate them for taking trillions of tax dollars from countries 80 years after WW2 and America to bomb hospitals.
Hate them for their smug fucking attitudes and their comically long noses.
Hate them for the retarded hats they wear.
Hate them for killing Jesus.

But stop acting like the Holocaust was made up, when there's plenty of proof that it isn't, you teflon brain motherfucker.


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Historian 25/04/22(Tue)20:51 No. 15769

>>15768
Thank you for helping me be antisemitic more accurately.


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Historian 25/04/22(Tue)21:16 No. 15770

>>15768
I will never understand American right-wingers fixation on nazis, nazis were absolute morons on every level they only got a glaze period for like... 3 years before they shit the bed on every front: economically, technologically, militarily and culturally.
And yet there's so much naziboo shit posted.
Hitler was even willing to sell his people out once they started to lose lmao


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Historian 25/04/22(Tue)22:09 No. 15771

>>15770
I mean for me personally, it's their badass uniforms. Like they had style. And honestly, the interbellum period is just SO good for storytelling, especially if you add slight sci-fi or occult elements. You have Nazis, Commies, the British Museum, and the plucky American all racing to grab some McGuffin. But yeah it's the uniforms.


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Historian 25/04/23(Wed)11:15 No. 15774
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>>15771
You only really like 1 damn outfit, the SS officer one.

You can't with a straight face tell me that the gay brownshirt looks good, unless you fancy boy scouts.

Especially when you got shit like the US Marines, Italian military police, hell even Swedens military uniform is decent enough.


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Historian 25/04/24(Thu)00:25 No. 15776

the nazis something America took in
they made their policy based on this
and today it is something they promote in the schools
and they speak of freedom but there no jobs the sale of culture by merchants who enclose the store but not open to the people


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Historian 25/04/24(Thu)16:45 No. 15777
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>>15774
Oh yeah, deadass. But come on, it looked fucking BADASS as fuck.


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sage sage 25/05/02(Fri)02:05 No. 15779

>>15776
My brother in Christ the revisionist history in your post couldn’t be any further from the truth. The Nazis were inspired by American eugenics programs. But hey, I don’t ever expect Nazis to be well educated or have the ability to do any research or critical thinking of their own; they always post dumbshit infographics and spread misinformation sent down from whoever dear leader of the week is.



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