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Anonymous 25/05/22(Thu)01:16 No. 836700
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It seems that for every supposedly masculine thing, something counteracts its supposed masculinity. Like with chains, they are mostly the same as necklaces, but it’s still considered masculine to wear them, but then sometimes gay people wear them, usually black gay people, and then it becomes feminine again. Similar with tattoos, you could usually associate them with a big buff biker or hood black guy, but then at the same time someone like Curtis Conner can have a whole bunch of them and still act like a total cuck. Kind of a similar thing with earrings. Usually it’s a feminine thing, but sometimes some guys can have them and still be seen as somewhat masculine. Even super masculine black men wear them sometimes. Another thing is competing with other men, standing your ground, and being the alpha supposedly. But if you are always yelling at or picking fights with other guys whenever they do something that makes you feel mad, upset, insecure, or threatened, then aren’t you technically being emotionally sensitive or letting your emotions get the best of you. In that case it would contradict the other masculine principal of not being as emotional. Also similarly with the whole “alpha takes what he wants thing” if a girl rejects you, and then you get mad at her and demand that she date you, doesn’t that kind of make you look like a baby. It’s kind of the same if a toddler was denied candy, so then started crying for his mom to give it to him, therefore making it less masculine. Also being interested in some things seem nerdy, there not masculine, and being interested in other things makes you seem more masculine. But of course someone can be interested in various things, and may have nerdy and non-nerdy interests. You could even be very muscular and masculine in other ways and still have those interests. Sometimes more nerdy people are even involved in the military, but they are doing something that’s considered very masculine. For example I know a guy that’s very buff and tough looking, but at the same time really likes comics, something typically seen as nerdy. But assuming you just had nerdy interests, another masculine principle is being rich. Well you could be rich by doing not nerdy things like sports and such. But at the same time you could be rich by doing nerdy things such as computer stuff, like Mark Zuckerberg and Bill gates for example. Mark Zuckerburg especially seems like a typical “beta male”, but at the same time is masculine because of his financial success. Another thing I want to mention is that sometimes white people are seen as less masculine than black people. But then what about a tall buff white guy who’s in a violent biker gang, is he less masculine just simply because he’s white. But also if black people do things other than being in a gang and selling drugs, rapping, or being in sports, and instead do things like being a lawyer, journalist, politician, doctor, etc, than he’s less masculine and more “white”. But then again from my point earlier, you would be making a lot of money doing things like that, and power with positions such as a politician or lawyer. Isn’t that exactly what rap songs brag about all the time, money and power? Also this may only be true in my case since I’m from the south. But if you acted more sophisticated, white or black, you would generally be seen as less masculine. But what about Trump, he’s sophisticated, but evidently also very masculine. He doesn’t have to be country or hood to be seen that way. Why is it that in the south you have to fit these regressive archetypes to be seen as manly. People like this usually tend to be poorer anyway, so therefore being less masculine.


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Anonymous 25/05/22(Thu)02:23 No. 836701
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TL;DR


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Anonymous 25/05/22(Thu)02:26 No. 836703
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>>836701
This


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Anonymous 25/05/22(Thu)02:33 No. 836705

Masculinity is a social construct and one that’s frankly best done away with. My partner is going to be a doctor and I’m going to be a stay at home dad. Enjoy your life of constantly comparing yourself to others and valuing your own worth based on how much you produce for the capitalists. Fucking cuck.


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Anonymous 25/05/22(Thu)03:33 No. 836706
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>>836705
>MFW all of language is a social construct because it's original/primary purpose is to facilitate communication between us


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Anonymous 25/05/22(Thu)04:57 No. 836708

>>836706
I mean, yeah, the entirety of the human existence we’ve collectively built is a social construct. I just think it’s important to point out how certain aspects of it are fundamentally flawed and not useful in the scope of modern Western society because that’s the context, at least I, live in.


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Anonymous 25/05/22(Thu)10:38 No. 836709

>>836708
Well if you say it ain't useful I guess it's not. I don't use the concept idea of epsilon very often, but I'm not claiming it's useless just because I don't find it useful in my own life.

My point - humanity is pretty large. Who are you to say which concepts are still or no longer useful for it? You haven't seen one millionth of one percent of it. What makes you so sure this concept is no longer useful. Even if it's just the western society we're talking about. Some humbleness is appropriate I believe. We're always aware of but a tiniest sliver of the whole pie.

You could argue that negative ideas are inherently useless. Okay. But then you know, the idea of masculinity is in something very formally defined or even if it was, our language isn't currently loose and fluid.
Who's to say that a negative definition of masculinity is the correct one or that a positive one is the correct one? How about we allow both for various contexts and see whether or not any of them get used.

Negative ways of thinking are generally not useful, but even a negative idea can be used in a positive way, so completely forgoing all negative ideas ain't a great idea either. Especially if it's done from a place of shunning it rather than complete relaxation. Because that would be counterproductive then.


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Anonymous 25/05/22(Thu)12:14 No. 836710

Masculinity is ultimately self confidence, and a nigger can be confident about or frame in a way that is positive pretty much anything as long as it alighns with his own beliefs.
It's basically just belief in yourself. Which has nothing to do with what you do, let alone what you possess as objects or as position. It's not even the qualities that you possess. It's your own belief in the rightness and goodness of your own intentions. Ultimately that's the only thing you can control anyway. So it's the only real or true source of confidence.

Even guys like Goggins say you need a resume to remind you, a cookie jar etc, a lot of "masculine" teachers teach this thing, but it's ultimately femine, because it is conditional. The stoics were the ultimate masculine men, because they taught more along the lines of - you can only control your attitude. I'm not saying Goggins isn't masculine, but at least on the theoretical level and intellectual understanding - the stoics like Marcus Aurelius were discovering the deeper roots of masculinity. Although there's a lot to be said about suffering and trials and the visceral experience of being a man in the world - Goggins definitely has A LOT of the "I believe in myself more than any challenges that can be throw at me".

Ultimately though, even if you are biologically a man, you will not be a fully functioning human unless you balance it out with equal amount of femininity. We have the masculine and The feminine principles, but in isolation, they do not actually work or produce beauty or a sense of life. But that's another topic that this post is too short to go into. But my point is that you also need this yielding quality otherwise nothing you do will actually work. It's a dance, it's a balance. One activates the other. Without the feminine, the masculine is simply worthless. And I don't mean that you need a woman, I mean that you need both qualities in yourself to function at any rate of magic. This is why The magicians while probably the most masculine men out there - were invariably also - feminine. No magician ever went far without discovering, integrating and utilizing his feminine side. It's like - you need two likes to walk. There's no point in boosting your engine any further if the transmission or the drivetrain is already at the limit as is.


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Anonymous 25/05/22(Thu)14:51 No. 836712

Kid, get off YouTube, get off my mother's fax machine, get off the internet and go outside. Go to college. Make some friends. Cutting your teeth over whether or not you’re masculine enough is a pathetic way to live a life. Such a small, but vocal, subset of the American populace actually really cares about it and I can tell you firsthand that shit doesn’t fucking matter in the real world.


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Anonymous 25/05/22(Thu)22:04 No. 836730

I have no strong feelings regarding the matter but I will say that worrying about masculinity seems like one of the least masculine things you can waste your time on.


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Anonymous 25/05/23(Fri)09:24 No. 836735

>>836701
Katon!
Nuggets tounge my anus.


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Anonymous 25/06/03(Tue)01:36 No. 836940

Hey, I like Kurtis. He's a funny dude. And it's odd that you called him a cuck. Usually nerds who can't remember what grass feels like call Ian a cuck, not Kurtis. Is it because he loves his wife and doesn't fuck ten year olds on the said that makes him a cuck?


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Anonymous 25/06/03(Tue)01:39 No. 836941

>>836940
*side



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